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troutman · 05-11-2006, 11:43 AM

[quote=FireFly

Ever asked a person who was clinically dead what happened? Most of them will tell you they saw something....[/quote]

My dad's friend was clinically dead for a time after a heart attack. He reports seeing nothing.

http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html

One study found that 8 to 12 percent of 344 patients resuscitated after suffering cardiac arrest had NDEs and about 18% remembered some part of what happened when they were clinically dead (Lancet, December 15, 2001). However, the researchers believe that neurophysiological processes must play some part in NDE.

The term 'near-death experience', or NDE, refers to a wide array of experiences reported by some people who have nearly died or who have thought they were going to die. There is no single shared experience reported by those who have had NDEs. Even the experiences of most interest to parapsychologists--such as the “mystical experience,” the “light at the end of the tunnel” experience, the “life review” experience, and the out-of-body experience (OBE)--rarely occur together in near-death experiences. However, the term NDE is most often used to refer to an OBE occurring while near death.

What little research there has been in this field indicates that the experiences Moody lists as typical of the NDE may be due to brain states triggered by cardiac arrest and anesthesia (Blackmore 1993). Furthermore, many people who have not been near death have had experiences that seem identical to NDEs. These mimicking experiences are often the result of psychosis (due to severe neurochemical imbalance) or drug usage, such as hashish, LSD, or DMT.

Some people who are thought to be dead, but are actually just unconscious, recover and remember things like looking down and seeing their own bodies being worked on by doctors and nurses. They recall conversations being held while they were "dead." Of course, they weren't dead at all, but they feel as if their mind or soul had left their body and was observing it from above. It is possible that a person may appear dead to our senses or our scientific equipment but still be perceiving.

At this point in our knowledge, to claim that NDEs provide proof that the soul exists independently of the body seems premature.

05-11-2006, 11:43 AM	#208
troutman Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Crowsnest Pass Exp:	[quote=FireFly Ever asked a person who was clinically dead what happened? Most of them will tell you they saw something....[/quote] My dad's friend was clinically dead for a time after a heart attack. He reports seeing nothing. http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html One study found that 8 to 12 percent of 344 patients resuscitated after suffering cardiac arrest had NDEs and about 18% remembered some part of what happened when they were clinically dead (Lancet, December 15, 2001). However, the researchers believe that *neurophysiological processes must play some part in NDE.* The term 'near-death experience', or NDE, refers to a wide array of experiences reported by some people who have nearly died or who have thought they were going to die. There is no single shared experience reported by those who have had NDEs. Even the experiences of most interest to parapsychologists--such as the “mystical experience,” the “light at the end of the tunnel” experience, the “life review” experience, and the out-of-body experience (OBE)--rarely occur together in near-death experiences. However, the term NDE is most often used to refer to an OBE occurring while near death. What little research there has been in this field indicates that the experiences Moody lists as typical of the NDE may be due to brain states triggered by cardiac arrest and anesthesia (Blackmore 1993). Furthermore, many people who have not been near death have had experiences that seem identical to NDEs. These mimicking experiences are often the result of psychosis (due to severe neurochemical imbalance) or drug usage, such as hashish, LSD, or DMT. Some people who are thought to be dead, but are actually just unconscious, recover and remember things like looking down and seeing their own bodies being worked on by doctors and nurses. They recall conversations being held while they were "dead." Of course, they weren't dead at all, but they feel as if their mind or soul had left their body and was observing it from above. It is possible that a person may appear dead to our senses or our scientific equipment but still be perceiving. At this point in our knowledge, to claim that NDEs provide proof that the soul exists independently of the body seems premature. Last edited by troutman; 05-11-2006 at 11:51 AM.