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again, a fundamental ignorance of martial arts and fighting.
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I don't think you know what you are talking about. You arguments are against someone that basically said that although Lucic is a hockey player, it does not mean on the street he is the toughest guy on the planet. A random nobody can be pretty dangerous, in particular if you have no idea if he trains or not. 90% of martial arts, in my opinion, do not help anyone, mainly because most people do not train to advanced levels and they do not spar enough. Lucic most likely would not get a 1 on 1 fight on the street.
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The fact that Lucic fights regularly is such a huge factor that no one is landing that lucky punch because even if you do hit him he has the muscle memory to know what to do.
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Lucic does not fight regularly, even though he has several dozen hockey fights. Fighting regularly means going to train and sparring, over and over again. For years.
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Case in point; the fact that he said the guy hit him a bunch of times and he had not a scratch on his face.
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Tough to say. Everyone's face reacts differently. I barely bruise, but I have had slight shots that left a massive black eye. Again, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
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The ability to know how to react when getting attacked based on experience makes him physiologically nearly unbeatable without a weapon, denying as much shows unfamiliarity with the subject at hand.
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Sounds like bullshido to me. Rolling with punches etc are all learned. Force = mass * velocity. Minimize force by rolling with a punch versus going into it. No one wants to roll with a punch, you want to not get hit at all. I am not sure about anyone being unbeatable, you must be kidding?
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Lucic has been in over 50 fights on the ice and that alone is nearly enough to make it almost impossible to hurt him. You'd have to hit him with a sucker punch when he's not looking or use a weapon.
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This is actually opposite to the truth. Go ask Parros how he is doing with the accumulated damage his brain has taken.
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For instance;imagine you're 6'5, 260 and you hit him as hard as you can with a hook. If he sees it coming his ingrained neural pathways will react in a way that creates defense before you hit(chin tuck, roll with the punch, move in the right direction, hands up etc.). Then you add on to the fact that the odds of getting the range perfect to land a %100 power shot is so small that it's nearly impossible, you couldn't do it unless you sneak up and he doesn't have time to react.
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Not sure again who you are arguing with. I doubt many still in this thread are so worried about how Lucic handles himself; this argument is about the street and the fact he is a celebrity - as he prepares to throw a punch a guy from behind will tackle him, the second guy will kick him, and lucic will suffer a significant injury. Or dude picking the fight knows what he is doing.
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There aren't many people that get to that stage, the large majority of people that learn mma or boxing(>90%) do not spar hard enough to have the same ability and react differently to getting hit (analogously Brock Lesnar vs. Mauricio Rua) if you'd like to talk about mma.
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Now here is where you contradict yourself. The large majority of people that learn mma or boxing do not spar hard enough to react correctly, yet Lucic can 100% of the time? Somehow he trains to fight so much that he can do this? He can beat Velasquez? They are both heavyweights, so why not?
Lesnar never fought Rua, so I am thinking you are trolling us now?
(source: about 15 years of martial arts training with most of it being useless)