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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
Al Zarqawi was in a part of Iraq that was NOT under Hussein's control. Al Zarqawi was in the part of Iraq that was under protection of the American no-fly zone. Hussein had no control over what took place in this region. Saying that Al Zarqawi was in Iraq proved there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq is like saying that because the 19 hijackers were living and training in the Arizona that John McCain was complicent to 9/11.
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And sought medical treatment in Baghdad, it's well known. Do I think this was a tie to bin Laden for Hussein? Nope. What it does show is that Hussein was uninterested in policing Al-Qaeda within his boarders. But that's not really important either, because we all know that Hussein monetarily supported suicide bombings in Israel. That made Iraq a terrorist state. But, to this conversation we have to figure out if the administration lied. I don't see where they did. I don't remember Powell telling the UN that Saddam and bin Laden were best friends forever and plotting to take down the US and Israel in an act of brotherhood. Do you have quotes from officials in which they clearly state that there IS a connection?
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
It's extremely irresponsible to invade a country until you are 100 percent certain of the facts. The UN Weapons Inspectors all said there was no evidence of anything. The Americans working on the UN Weapons Inspections said the same things, but they were all ignored in favor of the shaky testimony of a ex-national, who turned out to be a planted Iranian spy. The Bush administration wanted this war and manufactured their way into it. There is no hiding that fact.
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Again, you ignore the evidence. After the Gulf War the UN documented Hussein's entire arsenal and set about destroying it. They were expelled before that work was complete. What happened to the remaining WMD's (what a stupid term) that were marked for disposal? They didn't NEED to manufacture any evidence. The evidence was already there, and unaccounted for. They may have wanted the war and they may have rushed. But to sit there and say that there were never any WMD's is crazy talk!
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
And use force without the blessing of the Security Council and the General Assembly of the United Nations. No one saw the Iraqis as a risk. The American military leaders did not see Iraq as a risk. The Bush administration and the neo-cons were the only ones that saw anything in Iraq that they liked, and those things were oil, a military foothold, and a chance to extend their power in the region. The invasion had ZERO to do with enforcing UN resolutions and suggesting as much is more of an insult to your intelligence than it is to ours.
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Funny you would put it that way after our conversation the other day, but hey I guess that's your style.
Nothing wrong with anything you said in that. Might all be true, except the oil part doesn't make sense. But that doesn't point to lying by the administration which is what this thread and my reply was about.
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
Sorry Dis, the administration lied out their ass. There is no denying that anymore. NONE. Its done. Its been proven in spades. The only ones not believing that anymore are those sheep that you do not want to be lumped in with. The intelligence community is coming clean and admitting it now. The military is spilling their guts. What the hell else do you want? Cheney himself to come out from behind the curtian and tell you that George W. really is the stuttering idiot he appears to be and that the administration just executed the plans they have been sitting on since the mid 90's? The evidence is all out there for anyone to see, and its not one of those wild "conspiracy theories" the right wingers like to claim everyone is "cooking up". The only thing "cooked up" was the intelligence to support the actions of a bunch of right wing wackos who played a little too much Risk while they were in college.
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Well, if they lied you haven't proven it in this thead. As I said above, I don't think they needed to lie. You will again ignore that part of my response won't you.
My opinions....Rumsfeld is incompetent. Bush is a do nothing President. Doesn't mean they lied about this.