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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I agree with you in that there should be no issue with people having different views but as you can see by flameswin's comment and the people thanking that comment that different views generally aren't accepted by many. They want everyone to be in unison thinking the Flames are in good hands with the current staff. Sorry that's not going to happen nor should it.
It's funny that even you take no issue with him calling me insufferable yet you take issue with me telling him to take a break if he can't handle it. At least I don't call other posters names or bully posters like others.
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I included my response in NSFW tags so not to further take this thread off-topic. You (or whomever else that feels like it) can read it.
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Are you sure that your post wasn't designed to illicit this type of reaction though?
This is your original post:
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I sure hope he has a stellar two way game or Bob will find a warm spot in the press box for him right next to the other kid.
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You really don't expect this kind of post to ruffle a few feathers and cause other posters to respond the way they have?
It isn't what you said so much - it is how you said it. I do think you often design your posts (or it seems) to illicit these types of reactions. When you get called out on it.
You could have easily said: "I hope Gaudreau has a more advanced 200ft game so that he can step in and become a more effective player from the start, rather than going through what Baertschi has been."
However, you included 3 things in your post in such a way that makes people respond the way they do:
1) Exaggeration - I sure hope he has a stellar two way game - does Monahan have a stellar 2-way game? Would the expectation of all rookies coming in require them to be stellar 2-way players? What about Colborne? Stellar 2-way game? Of course not.
2) Talking in 'absolutes' - Bob will find a warm spot in the press box - if the exaggeration is not met (which of course would be impossible), then without a doubt Gaudreau is going to get benched. So you take the wind out of everyone's sails a bit by insisting Gaudreau is going to get benched, absolutely.
3) Incorrectly grouping - right next to the other kid. - What about the even younger kid playing every night as a 19 year old? What about that other kid who is 6'5" and playing as the2nd line center most nights and never getting scratched?
Your post was overly-negative and showed your extreme bias against Hartley (who has benched Sven, not Colborne or Monahan even though they are also both rookies), and was written in an overly negative way that other posters (myself included) took as a 'troll post' designed to illicit the same exact reactions that you just got.
Your initial post that started this kerfuffle was about you having reservations on Gaudreau's 200ft game, and how Hartley will like him.
I would say that Gaudreau's game is probably a bit more advanced offensively, and he is better than expected defensively (as long as York doesn't utilize him in a cherry-picking role any further, as some posters at HF were complaining about not long ago).
It wouldn't surprise me either way, however, if Gaudreau was sat now and then if he was not fitting into the system, or continually failing assignments out there. Only way to find out is to have him play. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a bit of leeway to start. I don't think anyone is that certain at how well Gaudreau performs in the NHL until he starts playing, and we can start gauging his strengths and weaknesses (other than the obvious size disadvantage) and see how his game translates.
I would expect him to get benched by Hartley - or any other coach - if he is not meeting expectations - just like every other player in the NHL should. I do not, however, expect him to be in any doghouse unfairly (and I do not think this is the situation with Baertschi at the moment either), but if so, then I would expect a coach to be relieved of his duties if he was unfairly treating any player - prospect or not - in such a way as to impede his development and the related future success of the franchise.