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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
Very good points as well.
I didn't see the goals scored for and against over 60 minutes, and I didn't check to see which wingers played with Backlund and Colborne. I actually forgot that Hudler was playing with Backlund a bit, and Colborne has been paired with Cammalleri (well, since Cammy returned to the lineup). Was the difference significant in minutes played? I think Hudler has been having a fantastic offensive season, but defensively he has been less than stellar - well, at least the zone faceoffs. The difference between him and Cammalleri are vastly different:
Offensive Zone Start O-Zone Finish
Cammalleri 54.1 58.0
Hudler 62.1 49.4
With Goals for and against per 60 minutes, again Cammalleri is further ahead:
Goals for 60 minutes
Cammalleri 1.79
Hudler 1.06
This is a very large difference between the two wingers, and could this POSSIBLY be skewing the goals for and against while comparing between Backlund and Colborne's ice time?
It is still early in the season, and therefore the small sample sizes really do become troublesome when trying to compare between players and lines. Watching the games it does SEEM that Backlund does a much better job of driving possession, so I am rather surprised that the goals against is higher when he is on the ice, though perhaps it is my personal bias interfering with what I am watching (i.e. I see what I want to see).
Good pickup though! I totally missed the goals for and against. This will be interesting to see the results between the two centers for the rest of the season and how things normalize, and how Hartley manages the two of them (if they are still on the same team anyways). Thanks!
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A couple things. First the stats we've been using (or I have been at least) are 5 on 5, which I incorrectly labelled ES, and are not up to date. They are missing the latest game, and both Backlund and Colborne were on the ice for a GF. Not the biggest deal but Backlund gets a bit of a raw deal since (without the Florida game counted) he's only been on the ice for 6 "5 vs 5" goals for. He's been on the ice for 1 SH goal, which doesn't get counted, and I imagine a "4 vs 4" goal since he still has one goal for unaccounted for.
So his On Ice Team GF/60 is coming up as 1.46 but will jump to 1.65 simply because of the Florida game. Goes to show how dynamic the stats still are. But that's still significantly different than Colborne's On Ice Team GF/60 which is at 2.52.
And Colborne, pre-Florida at least, has played 46% of his 5v5 time with Cammalleri while Backlund has played 41% of his 5v5 time with Hudler. So depending on how you want to analyze those 2 players in terms of offense and defense they could make a significant difference. If you just go with G/60, Cammalleri is crushing Hudler. However, if you go for Team GF/60, Hudler has Cammalleri beat. Does it mean that Hudler is generating more offense? Maybe, maybe not, could be because of his line mates (at least away from Backlund), offensive zone starts and line matchups etc.
And like you said it's just too early to really take a look at these stats. But I would say that even I was surprised to see that Backlund has only been on the ice for 7 goals for while playing 5 vs 5. Bouma's been on the ice for 6 and he's had significant less ice-time and definitely worse linemates throughout the season. Even if Backlund was playing exclusively with McGrattan and Jackman that's a low number, and despite his demotions those guys aren't anywhere close to his most played with linemates yet. 5 on 5, in order, he's played with Galiardi, Hudler, Jones, Bouma and Glencross more than them.