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Originally Posted by kyuss275
I don't like Hartely's non-defensive system. That said, he has not been given anything to work with. Flames are made up of mostly 3rd/ 4th liners and 2nd/3rd pairing d-men. He has gotten the players to buy in and play harder than past teams. As for goalies what is he suppose to do? He was given 3 back-up goalies to start the year and told to make one of them the starter.
I think he is fine for now, and if he can't install a defensive system by next year then he should be let go for someone that can.
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Not calling you out specifically but no matter what the team does, nobody is happy. When Brent was here everyone hated his collapsing, boring, D systems. All the talk was about "I hate being so defensively minded, I'd rather lose 6-4 than 2-1". So Hartley lets the offense open up a bit at the sacrifice of some defensive awareness and we start losing high scoring games and now everyone wishes we had a better defensive system? We're not the Blackhawks you can't have it both ways with this group unfortunately. I do agree that Hartley hasn't been great when in comes to developing the younger guys, outside of Monahan. Backlund's stuck with grinders, while Colborne logs lots of minutes despite rarely getting his name on the scoresheet. Sven being scratched for Jackman is downright insane, I don't care if we need more "size in the lineup". Jackman's size does not equal the same type of "size" as someone like Lucic, Backes, etc. I'm all for sitting the young guys every now and then and making them have to earn a spot (unlike the kids to the north), but let them make some mistakes. We are not even close to the playoffs this year, so let Sven go out there make some mistakes and learn from them. I can't imagine how frustrating it is to have to play a perfect game or your stapled to the bench. As far as the goalies, I really don't care if they're getting lit up as I don't think either Ramo or Berra are long term solutions, Gillies and Ortio are the future.
I assume Jay will be working the phones to ship out Cammy, Stajan,etc. which will force Hartley to give the young guys more minutes. It'll be vital to see how he the young guys progress under Hartley when some veterans are no longer here. I worry about ditching him for a younger coach and having an Eakins type situation.