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Originally Posted by Ped
Not much trouble at all.
All fan bases - the Flames, the Oilers, the Lightning, whatever - overrate their prosepects and that tends to stop as soon as the player leaves town.
I don't think anyone is a "hypocrite." Your word, not mine. My point was merely that it was interesting to see how a player goes from "he should be in the NHL" to "he is a career minor-leaguer" just because he's been traded.
This is not a Flames fan thing, this is a fan thing.
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Completely disagree. I'll ignore your cherry-picking and simply refer to the one piece of non-biased evidence that is readily available... the prospect vote that took place on these boards, prior to the trade.
Centres voted ahead of Horak: Monahan, Jankowski and Knight. Reinhart wasn't in the top 10 but he is regularly in the top 10 on external lists (this was posted and talked about at the time). And Reinhart's stock is rising.
Also, Granlund wasn't voted above him, but his stock has also been rising since he came over.
Then they acquired Colborne.
So, just since he summer, Monahan, Knight and Colborne have passed him on the depth chart, and Reinhart and Granlund are, at least, in the conversation.
If you want to look at wing, Poirier, Klimchuk, Agostino (in the voting), Galiardi and Bouma have passed him since the summer (if Bouma wasn't already ahead of him).
I didn't see anyone trashing Horak and most posters like him. But the general consensus is that he is being passed by lots of other prospects. I think I have illustrated that here.
As for Brossoit, I think most posters consider him a very good prospect. But he too was passed in camp when Ortio came over and impressed.
I think it would be hard to argue that the organizational rank of the goalies (ignoring MacDonald as he is experience, not the future) is:
Ramo and Berra
Ortio
Brossoit
And then there is Gillies, and CP is almost unanimous in believing that he is a better prospect than Brossoit.
That puts Brossoit 5th in the organization.
Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I think I have accurately assessed where these guys were ranked BEFORE the trade.
Did people like Horak? Of course - he is a good prospect. I don't see anyone turning on him. But the general view has been that he has been passed and won't be missed. I think that is more of a reflection on how good the prospect pool is, not how anyone views Horak.