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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Montreal has the single largest organized crime presence in Canada so its not even close to the same. It also has an extensive history of political corruption that no other city in Canada comes even close to. Not an apples to apples comparison.
In fact Toronto is very comparable to Calgary in that regard. Sure there's some organized crime, but not a lot and nothing on the level of Montreal. Montreal and Vancouver are the organized crime headquarters of Canada.
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We've been on pretty much the same page since the crack scandal happened, so I'm saying this sincerely, as I know the written word can seem sarcastic or preachy.
You are right, far more government is corrupt in Quebec. A lot more organized crime. Don't disagree.
However, it's a bit of a false equivalency to suggest just because Toronto has a 'good' track record, it isn't happening this time. It could, and not only that, the facts and logical ideas, kinda lead that there is something to it here.
Rumours were out long ago the Ford family either dealt with organized crime, or were at least buddies with them. Those fears weren't justified then. However because of these actions, they weigh more seriously now.
Lest anyone think I have a partisan axe to grind, I will remind people I actually came out for Ford when this thread was about the $3000 + dollar conflict of interest story. I said I didn't like it, and there may be some unfair moves against Ford, but that it was a small deal, and was hard to tell if there was any planned. It was just a screw up. And the liberals in the media were trying were being a little too critical. Go ahead, look it up. It's in this thread. I said point blank Ford should keep his job.
But since this crack scandal came out, I've been right on all guesses. Supporters then were saying, 'oh it's just liberal media trying to throw him out and it isn't true'. Yeah, there's some partisan politics at play for sure. But the media are professionals. They check their sources. And guess what, they were right.
There was (and is) just too much smoke there for there not to be fire. I said that then, and it echos even truer now. Singly, it doesn't amount to much. But with all that we know and all that has happened, it's far more than just circumstantial. It's pretty freaking damning.
Are people ganging up? Are shady people trying to make a quick buck? Are there bad people in this story? Of course. But it doesn't change the facts.
The facts are Rob has been lying it for a long time. The facts are he's been spotted bro hugging known criminals. Not just buying from them, partying with them. The facts are, he's been acting more and more erratically. The facts are he actively tried to suppress the tape through his network.
Far FAR too much smoke for there to be no fire.
Can anyone who's heads still isn't up their pooper deny this? It gets worse day by day. Literally, day by day. And everything he denies, or his supporters deny, have been admitted to later. But the supporters just keep pushing the bar. Blind or stubborn.
He's compromised. And, like all the revelations that people wanted to ignore before, it seems to go a lot deeper than that and it's unraveling day by day now. What was denied last week, has been admitted to this week, and so on.
You really wanna be on the wrong side of this?
(not to the quoted poster, but to the few Ford nation guys left)
EDIT: BTW some people still aren't getting how I'm defining compromised which is really closer to the real definition than these denial arguments. Even if he isn't involved, even if there is no larger crime committed than crack smoking, he's already compromised. Who wants to deal with him now, besides said criminals. Who wants to get involved with him? How many people are trying to influence him? And lastly, how much is it affecting city hall?
Even without further sin (of which it seems to be coming out anyway) you cannot argue he isn't compromised.