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Old 10-23-2013, 09:25 AM   #8
19Yzerman19
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The last thing the ski industry needs is another startup ski company. Are you making these things yourself? Can we see your presses? How many pairs have you pressed to date? What's the cost going to be on these? Has anyone involved in this venture ever worked for a ski manufacturer in North America? My guess is no. They're in for a very rude awakening and will likely realize pretty quickly that this is just a recipe for frustration.

2200 grams for a 120 underfoot ski in 185 length is pretty much par for the course. That's the same weight as a Billy Goat Tour in 191 (actual length being closer to 194) so they're doing exactly nothing revolutionary in terms of ski construction, at least nothing that's producing significant weight savings. Meanwhile, the BG tour is widely thought to be one of the best powder skis you can buy and gets Powder Magazine and Freeskier editor's picks, while no one knows if these Templar sticks are worth riding. The guys who run companies like Moment, DP and ON3P have been involved in the ski industry for years, and everyone knows and trusts that they know what they're doing in terms of ski design. Given the choice I know where I'm sending my money.

Just for further reference, my BD touring skis have basically identical dimensions to the knight (3mm wider shovel, 3mm narrower tail, 1cm longer reported length) and weigh over 100 grams less.

These projects are simply doomed to fail. The skis will cost about $1000 per pair - if you pledge 625 you get a pair of skis, and they estimate you will save "over $300" for that pair. Leaving aside for the moment that paying over $600 bucks for proto skis no one has even seen yet is stupid, that's an awfully high ask for skis that are unlikely to be as good as those put out by rider-owned companies who have been refining their processes for years. Ask yourself if you'd rather have these skis, or a pair of Moment Bibbys with enough $ left over for bindings. It's a no brainer.

To be viable running this out of a garage they'd still need to sell 100 pairs in a year. It's incredibly difficult to get small runs of edge material. I would be shocked if they sold 30. I would be even more shocked if any of them shipped less than a month later than they're expecting.
These guys should post up a thread on TGR and Newschoolers and see what happens.

EDIT: Oh sh** they actually did... http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/267664-Kickstarting-Skis

EDIT: Just read the skis will be made in China at the DPS factory... which is probably a good idea in terms of being more or less sure the materials will get to your presses but $1000 bucks for China-made skis is pretty damned high. From the TGR thread the whole basis for this is apparently finite element analysis which is a cool idea but not the basis for an indy. These guys should collab with an established manufacturer and see if they can improve someone else's existing designs.

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