[CaptainCrunch]

These Submarines were a nightmare purchase by the inept department of national defense under Eggleton. He was thrilled by the problems due to the fact that his twisted logic told him that he would save money on the defense budget since these things weren't safe for sea duty and would spend most of thier time moored to docks.

Issues with the submarines so far

1) Substandard welding on the outerhull which caused severe leakage at depth greater than 65 feet

2) The British only had these subs in service for four years due to the fact that the torpedo tube housing was misaligned causing massive leakage. The brit solution was to seal up the torpedo tubes and not use them. this is pretty brilliant considering that the only weapons that the Upholders have at thier disposal are . . . wait for it . . . . Torpedo's

3) One of the subs had a bent frame which means that it was in a collision. The fact that we took possession of this sub means its now our problem. A bent frame directly impacts the noise worthyness of these boats, it also greatly reduces the expected crush depth.

4) During the sea trials of the HMS Ursula, the outer doors of a torpedo tube could not be closed at depth after firing. the seals released and the sub took on 1500 litres of water forcing the captain to perform and emergency surface. Rumor has it that the Canadian crew was pretty shaken up by that and perfered to mutiney as oppossed to go back to sea in this submarine. REmember that the last part was a rumor.

Now the Canadian Government is trying to hide the problem. The British Military has gone on record stating that the Canadian Submariners are incompetent and indecisive.

I call B.S. I know a few of the Naval officers and they aren't incompetent. The incompetents falls firmly on Art Eggleton and the current minister of defense for trying to save money as oppossed to looking at safety.

When I said that these idiots should be charged with treason in another thread, I was serious about that. These guys are going to eventually fill body bags at the expense of saving dollars that are going to Quebec Ad agencies and billion dollar gun registries. I'm disgusted by the whole thing.

Now we have a fire on a sub.

Yes Brian Mulrooney looked at the LA Class 688i submarine, but under the conditions of our non nuclear proliferation position, we couldn't buy them.

However the Australianss, Germans, Dutch, French and Swedish navies make better diesel electric and air hybrid subs than the Brits do, and thats where our money should have gone.

Hell the russians still have 200 Kilo Class subs available for export, we could have made a deal with them.

What a joke