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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Why bring up how they compare right now? Do you know the difference between a project pick, and one that isn't? Monahan was never a project pick. He was touted as a guy that could very well be ready to step into the NHL and contribute straight from the draft. WJC? I guess to you, all prospects follow a very linear path of development, and if they take longer they are complete busts? Is that why you brought up the WJC, since it had absolutely nothing to do with the point.

I bring up how they compare right now because that is the information we have to use how they will project in the future.

Just because Jankowski is a project pick doesn't mean he will improve more than Monahan or that he will be better in the long run.

The WJHC is relevant because it shows the level that Monahan is already at and the fact that he has elite level skills already that are going to improve while Jankowski is trying to improve on lesser skill levels and hoping that somehow he will be able make leaps and bounds bigger jumps if he is going to surpass Monahan.

I don't think all prospects take linear steps but I also don't see why Jankowski is going to take massive steps to improve and Monahan isn't.

You originally lumped Jankowski in with more 'depth' prospects like Knight, Reinhart, Horak (forgot who else and lazy to look it up). My point is that Jankowski has a WAY higher offensive ceiling, and arguably moreso than Monahan.

I also said that I mislabeled him with those guys and moved him to a different category since they all are older with professional experience and he is a prospect.

Look up his scouting reports - comparables: Nieuwendyk and Spezza. He has an elite offensive ceiling - that is coming from scouting services. But he is a project pick and will take longer to develop, with a possibility of busting.

I haven't seen those comparables when reading about him but still not as impressive as the Toews/Staal comparables of Monahan.

I don't know how else to explain it to you. You keep pointing to 'now', when I have already stated that right now, Monahan is the VASTLY superior prospect (it isn't even close). I guess you don't see that projects (like Gaudreau was) can really have very high offensive ceilings but need much more time to develop into NHL players (and are much more likely to bust).

I can see that just fine but I guess you seem to not see that guys drafted high in the draft can have very high offensive ceilings as well which is why they are drafted that high.

I am not saying Jankowski can't have a high offensive ceiling I am saying I have seen/read nothing to indicate it so far. Gaudreau also has a lower ceiling in my view than Monahan.

If we aren't using what these guys are showing us right now to evaluate what they can do in the future I am not sure what you think we should use instead?

Thanks for insinuating the whole 'fanboy' stuff though. Yes, if Jankowski was a prospect on Van, I would be as high on him (as long as I took as much time to research and watch him). I think Van did outstanding in drafting Horvat, and I am pretty sure I have stated on this board that he will probably end up being a future captain (though doubtful he will be a #1 center). Don't really see the point of calling anyone a 'fanboy' on a Flames message board discussing the prospects.

I wasn't insinuating I was honestly asking you. It wasn't meant to be a shot at you but many posters on this board seem to become very pro whatever guy we drafted and I have doubts that they would feel that way about the same player if he was drafted by another team. Look at the way other team prospects get talked about here. I understand why they do it and if that is not the case with you then that's fine and I believe you. Was meant as an honest question not to insinuate anything else.

I agree that I don't see the point of calling someone a fanboy which is why I didn't say it.

You don't like Jankowski, I guess we will just leave it at that. I am not (and never did) say he WILL be Calgary's 1st line elite center, or that he WILL (much less IS) better than Monahan - but you took what you wanted to justify your position when all I argued is that he is arguably the highest offensive ceiling center..

Can you show me where I did what you are accusing me? All I argued against is that Jankowski had a higher ceiling than Monahan. Not sure where I took any of that or talked about it at all. I thought all along your point was he had the highest ceiling and argued against that.

Not really sure why you have so much anger in the post and why you can't just address the issues without taking offense to things that aren't there (fanboy, #1 elite center).