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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
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I would say those teams are elite. I do not agree that winning the cup is the minimum requirement to be an elite team. To me the elite teams are the ones who are consistently at the top of the league and considered by many to be tre cup contenders. The Pens have only won 1 cup in the Crosby era and have not made the finals since then but they have been elite for 6 years IMO. Vancouver was an elite team for much of the past 5 years but the roster has aged and has been managed poorly from a prospect/development perspective that they are no longer a top contender. Some may call them a bubble team but for now I think they are a 4-6 seed in the west and a 1st/2nd round playoff team and no longer elite/contender