[MrMastodonFarm]

The best thing about Apple is they've managed to convince people they're the Ferrari company. A seriously brilliant marketing company above all. Even I kind of get goose-chills hearing Jonathan Ivy say "...unapologetically plastic".

Sorry FanIn80, but a lot of people just don't buy it, and the fatal flaw in saying that Apple (and the iPhone) are definitely not Ferrari. The iPhone is a fantastic phone and if it works for you more power to you but at this point its much more then a debate about which phone is the best phone on the market. The iPhone held that title for a year or two but a plethora of other phones are now looking at it in its rear view mirror.

I hate the fact I have to qualify this, but given my Android love I will, the iPhone is an excellent phone and if you buy one I am sure you will love it but it's no longer the cream of the crop. (my opinion of course). The guys working on the iPhone have rested on their laurels and let other guys not only catch up and pass them on operating system but on design as well. HTC killed it with the HTC One, a beautifully designed phone. Google killed it with Android, which was a slow burn but finally felt complete at around 4.0 (though I think it was 4.1).

If someone like sun or Estrada says in this thread they've loved their iPhones in the past and will get the new one, that's awesome, no one has a problem with that but I, and others will enjoy a good debate and really finding out what the best phone and operating system on the market is. I don't think either is Apple, I don't think either has been for a while, which is a pain because at this point they're falling out of the discussion, a discussion which they used to dominate.

Apple is not the Ferrari, saying that is just a device used to dismiss anyone who talks about price but I'm sorry it's not going to work.