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Originally Posted by korzym12
“Rights mean you have a right to your life. You have a right to your liberty, and you should have a right to keep the fruits of your labor....I, in a way, don’t like to use those terms: gay rights, women’s rights, minority rights, religious rights. There’s only one type of right. It’s the right to your liberty.”
“You have to remember, rights don't come in groups we shouldn't have 'gay rights'; rights come as individuals, and we wouldn't have this major debate going on. It would be behavior that would count, not what person belongs to what group.”
Come on you made that way too easy for me.
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Okay, so you don't believe in seperate rights, that rights are rights, but you think it's prefectly okay to tell a certain group that they do not have the same rights as everyone else?
In Russia, I have the right express my feelings however I see fit to someone that I am in love with in a public place, and I am allowed to tell people about my sexual orientation.
The same cannot be said for someone who is gay. How are those equal rights?
If the law was saying that no one can express any sort of public affection, or discuss sexual orientation, then the law would simply be stupid, but not oppresive and discriminatory. As it stands now, it is the defintion of those things, and to attempt to argue from a logical standpoint that that isn't the case, is impossible.
To say that the right to liberty is the only right (as the first quote says) is the most self defeating argument I've ever seen. How is taking away someones right to speak freely about their sexual orientation preserving their right to liberty?
To say that rights belong to the individual, and that actions count is also self defeating to your position. Those individaly rights, should be universal, and taking them away from someone for being a part of a group is exactly what this is talking about. As for actions, the entire point of preserving certian rights, is so people can do what is unpopular (actions) without being persecuted by the majority that may not agree with their opinion or lifestyle.
This is what pisses me off the most about ignorant people who insist on arguing this point.
They say things like "Why should they have special rights" like it is actually true.
The fact of the matter is, this argument isn't about granting special rights to a specific group, it's about recoginizing that certain groups have been denied certain rights, and extending those rights to everone as they should have been in the first place.
You are 100% correct that the terms "Gay rights" shouldn't be used, because right now there is no such thing. Right now, there are only "Straight People's Rights", and that is what we are trying to fix.