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Calgary4LIfe · 08-09-2013, 01:48 PM

This is all a bit off-topic, as the OP was contrasting and comparing the Flames and Oilers at the same point in time. Flames have many more pieces with higher upsides I think, though only the future will prove that.

As for the whole "3 over-all" subsequent drafts - Oilers should be a competitive team by now, but they aren't because they simply have an inept scouting department that hasn't had anything of note help the team beyond their 1st round selections. That is a pretty damn awful record, especially for a rebuilding team.

Flames under Darryl Sutter started becoming a better drafting team (from 2008 - now) each subsequent draft seemed better and better, offering more and more 'hits' in the depth part of the draft. Brodie, Backlund, Reinhart, Bouma - all 'hits' from the 3rd round and down (with the exception of Backlund who was a late 1st rounder), from a time where it is thought of as a horrible drafting period.

I agree with Tinordi that the Flames have much more depth than the Oilers coming into this period. What I don't agree with is that this depth will prevent the Flames from bottoming out. I think the Flames will be a lottery pick team for the foreseeable future. I then re-agree with him that it is extremely unlikely to get 1st over-all picks like the Oilers got. Under the old lottery rules, didn't the Oilers have less than a 5% chance of getting all 3 1st over-all picks? Now with an even harder lottery (thanks Oilers...), there is no way.

However, lottery picks are good enough. Some people argue that the Oilers would have been a better team had they selected Seguin and Galchenyuk. Who knows. Lottery picks are lottery picks, and 1st over-all picks aren't always the very best anyways (though they usually are).

Still, one can build an elite team out of being a good drafting team. Oilers have picked 1st over-alls, and have barely moved on the 'success scale' since then.

There is no guarantee that the Flames will be better than the Oilers. The only guarantee is if they are that bad for as long as the Oilers were, there will be more management being fired.

08-09-2013, 01:48 PM	#164
Calgary4LIfe Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Exp:	This is all a bit off-topic, as the OP was contrasting and comparing the Flames and Oilers at the same point in time. Flames have many more pieces with higher upsides I think, though only the future will prove that. As for the whole "3 over-all" subsequent drafts - Oilers should be a competitive team by now, but they aren't because they simply have an inept scouting department that hasn't had anything of note help the team beyond their 1st round selections. That is a pretty damn awful record, especially for a rebuilding team. Flames under Darryl Sutter started becoming a better drafting team (from 2008 - now) each subsequent draft seemed better and better, offering more and more 'hits' in the depth part of the draft. Brodie, Backlund, Reinhart, Bouma - all 'hits' from the 3rd round and down (with the exception of Backlund who was a late 1st rounder), from a time where it is thought of as a horrible drafting period. I agree with Tinordi that the Flames have much more depth than the Oilers coming into this period. What I don't agree with is that this depth will prevent the Flames from bottoming out. I think the Flames will be a lottery pick team for the foreseeable future. I then re-agree with him that it is extremely unlikely to get 1st over-all picks like the Oilers got. Under the old lottery rules, didn't the Oilers have less than a 5% chance of getting all 3 1st over-all picks? Now with an even harder lottery (thanks Oilers...), there is no way. However, lottery picks are good enough. Some people argue that the Oilers would have been a better team had they selected Seguin and Galchenyuk. Who knows. Lottery picks are lottery picks, and 1st over-all picks aren't always the very best anyways (though they usually are). Still, one can build an elite team out of being a good drafting team. Oilers have picked 1st over-alls, and have barely moved on the 'success scale' since then. There is no guarantee that the Flames will be better than the Oilers. The only guarantee is if they are that bad for as long as the Oilers were, there will be more management being fired.