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Originally Posted by valo403
What don't you see from the raw data?
And c'mon man, in one post it's 'SYG laws are enacted in response to rising murder rates' and in the next it's 'murder rates are falling dramatically'. Which one is it?
I really don't understand what you last link is supposed to prove. A death that is considered justified under SYG wouldn't be a murder, and therefore wouldn't be included in the stats anyways.
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Umm both....
Murder rates as a whole are decreasing now, but many STY laws were came into being in the early 2000s when this wasn't the case. So before the laws came into place, there were high murder rates, but the murder rates have decreased since. Like I also said, the SYG states also happen to be the ones on the high murder rate list.
That being said, that's not really my argument. My argument is that the STY laws are insignificant, and murder rates are linked to much larger societal problems. Most importantly the States with high murder rates and STY laws, not conincidentally happen to be states with a poor history of integration and close proximity to the Mexican border.
If you look at the study that sites STY laws resuting in increased murder rates, they've got many pages of calculation and variables they've excluded. If your trying to prove a point that murder rates are up by 5%, it's pretty easy to manipulate data with a small sample size to prove that, which is exactly what they've done. There are just as many right wing blogs manipulating the data to prove their points:
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/201...7s+Constant%29
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...s-2536144.html
Anytime you need 10s of pages of statistical manipulation to come up with a small figure from a small sample size, you should be suspicious.