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Originally Posted by Dienasty
Is this a joke? Are you trying to be ironic? Can you please name franchise players to me please? If you don't think iggy was a franchise player, or naslund or the sedins, or datsyuk, zetterberg etc etc, then I do not know what to tell you. Yes there are exceptions Crosby, Malkin, toews, ovechkin, but those are not franchise players those are generational talents.
As for your argument that some 21 year old franchise player just hoisted the cup, did you not realize then Seguin has been to the finals two times in three seasons, and won the cup in his rookie season.
As for ice time, his career average is 15 minutes per game... Where are you getting you numbers from? Last year he averaged 17 so no not first line minutes in the 21 minute range.
As for him not being good enough for center... Are you kidding? They have Bergeron and krejci that is the only reason he wasn't at center, not because he isn't good enough. Both of those centers are better then any center on the flames. Not to mention how many games did he play center? I am willing to bet it wasn't more then 15 games, which is much to small of a sample size to state that he can't play there, considering it took ovechkin half a season just to switch wings this season before he produced.
As for pp minutes can you please show me that info because I can't find it. And yes the bruins are a trap team.
FYI the flames would have 6 years control as he is signed to a six year deal
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There's this handy little site, that is obviously really obscure, called NHL.com. It has this page called "stats" where you can run reports and extract comparative data, including ice time and face offs, which is broken down to the nth degree and you get to see which player had the most opportunity in every situation imaginable. You should check it out as it is sometimes best to have data to support your wild claims or find out their validity before posting them.
On the franchise player front, I believe the Franchise player tag is grossly over used and was #######ized by the NFL, which has caused great confusion in its application. A franchise player, in my opinion, is a player that if added to any team in the NHL immediately makes them better to the point they are a solid playoff team or contender for the Stanley Cup. I see only one active player in the NHL that fits that bill, and that is Sidney Crosby. He was the last player to come along that I would say is a true franchise player. To clarify terms, I also do not think Crosby is a generational talent. He's a great player and could I proven any team in the league to the point they are a contender, but he is not a generational talent. I see generational talents as players who come in and alter the game with their play. Orr revolutionized the way players on the blue line played. Gretzky changed the game in almost every way imaginable. Lemieux altered the perspective on big players. Roy changed goaltending to where the standup goaltender does not exist anymore. These were generational talents. They changed the way every player that came after them played the game. I do not see any of them in the game today, even as good as Crosby is.
Each of the players you mentioned has value to the team they currently play for, and the fans have an emotional attachment to them, but if you took any one of them and dropped them on the Calgary Flames or the Florida Panthers are either of those teams a solid playoff team or contender for the Stanley Cup? No. It takes a lot more than any of those players. Heck, some of the players you mentioned play on the same team together, so they should be winning cup after cup. A team that has two franchise players should just roll over every other team, especially those that don't have a franchise player at all.
Getting to the Bruins style of play and why certain players are certain positions, if you can't see that the Bruins play a pressure forechecking game, or the superiority of players in certain positions, I can't help you. The Bruins beat up the opposition because they press the opposition defense and force turnovers. They don't give you a chance to setup and they are always attacking the puck. Again, you're going to have to point out where they trap and how they trap, because it wasn't evident unless they were protecting a lead late.
Seguin is a winger because he doesn't have the ability to play the center position better than anyone on the Bruins. Krejci, Bergeron, Campbell, Kelly, and even Peverley, to a certain extent, all play the center position better than Seguin. All of them are stronger positionally and better in the dot, with the exception of Campbell on face offs. Seguin was given opportunity to play center when he came into the league but he was not as effective as expected and moved to the wing to limit his weaknesses. A player with franchise talent at center does not get moved to the wing, nor play behind the any of the Bruins centers. When talking about first line centers the Bruins are a team that routinely comes up as a team lacking a true number one center, but having great depth of skilled pivots best suited to play in the number two role. A player with franchise talent should certainly be able to push his way past the likes of Campell, Peverley or Kelly. Seguin is a winger in the Bruins because that is where he is best suited in the NHL and where the Bruins feel he'll have the greatest success. Based on their track record of late, I'll go with their decision on how to use him.
Sorry, everyone, for the wall of text and the sarcasm in spots. Had to be done to get the points across.