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dustyanddaflames · 06-04-2013, 08:14 AM

I think the Jays are really missing that guy who steps up and leads the club - for the longest time the Yankees were buying championship calibre rosters, but they always had Jeter/Rivera leading the charge. I think that is why the "buying" worked for so long in New York. You had two leaders in place all the time, and no matter who the new faces were, they knew their place regardless of statistics.

I don't think Toronto has that - Jose was supposed to be that guy, but I don't really get the feeling that he is that guy. Ya he stepped in when Lawrie/Gibbons were going at it, but I don't get the vibe that he is truly that leader you go to battle with. When your suposed leader isn't the guy leading out in the field, I think he loses a lot of clout. Jeter/Rivera have lead the Yankees for so long, and have always been their best players on championship runs. I don't think the Jays have that guy - I think if you could combine Baustista's bark with Encarnacion's production, you might have that guy.

I don't feel firing Gibbon's is going to change the fortune of this club - I think they Jay's have already used something crazy, like 15 more pitchers than the second highest in the MLB. Gibbon's I feel has done a great job at utilizing a bullpen, keeping Lind sheltered against LHP, even getting some decent production from Kawasaki while Reyes has been out. But you get to a point where the Band-Aids don't stick to one another anymore, and I think we are seeing that. The staff is in shambles, no doubt about it. Romero/Morrow/Johnson were supposed to be the strenght behind our Cy Young winner, and they have done next to nothing. As for Dickey, who knows what is going on with him, but something clearly isn't right.

Things are getting better, but it's not fast enough. The hole they dug in April needed some sort of miracle to happen, to get back into the race. The Jays' have had ample opportunities to take series' 3-1, and have failed way more often than not. There just isn't that finishing mentality that was needed to get the club back into contention, but that doesn't diminish the fact that they are slowly getting better. But I feel its too late - we needed a miracle and were left with reality.

06-04-2013, 08:14 AM	#70
dustyanddaflames Powerplay Quarterback Join Date: Aug 2002 Exp:	I think the Jays are really missing that guy who steps up and leads the club - for the longest time the Yankees were buying championship calibre rosters, but they always had Jeter/Rivera leading the charge. I think that is why the "buying" worked for so long in New York. You had two leaders in place all the time, and no matter who the new faces were, they knew their place regardless of statistics. I don't think Toronto has that - Jose was supposed to be that guy, but I don't really get the feeling that he is that guy. Ya he stepped in when Lawrie/Gibbons were going at it, but I don't get the vibe that he is truly that leader you go to battle with. When your suposed leader isn't the guy leading out in the field, I think he loses a lot of clout. Jeter/Rivera have lead the Yankees for so long, and have always been their best players on championship runs. I don't think the Jays have that guy - I think if you could combine Baustista's bark with Encarnacion's production, you might have that guy. I don't feel firing Gibbon's is going to change the fortune of this club - I think they Jay's have already used something crazy, like 15 more pitchers than the second highest in the MLB. Gibbon's I feel has done a great job at utilizing a bullpen, keeping Lind sheltered against LHP, even getting some decent production from Kawasaki while Reyes has been out. But you get to a point where the Band-Aids don't stick to one another anymore, and I think we are seeing that. The staff is in shambles, no doubt about it. Romero/Morrow/Johnson were supposed to be the strenght behind our Cy Young winner, and they have done next to nothing. As for Dickey, who knows what is going on with him, but something clearly isn't right. Things are getting better, but it's not fast enough. The hole they dug in April needed some sort of miracle to happen, to get back into the race. The Jays' have had ample opportunities to take series' 3-1, and have failed way more often than not. There just isn't that finishing mentality that was needed to get the club back into contention, but that doesn't diminish the fact that they are slowly getting better. But I feel its too late - we needed a miracle and were left with reality.