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Originally Posted by flylock shox
I agree with what you're saying here. But at least without religion you can deal with these other motivators rationally. You can avoid violence if you can talk to the other party rationally, but a religious basis for violence affords no rationality, which complicates things. Its like trying to reason with an agitated schizophrenic: if they have some crazy reason for punching you, you're getting punched no matter what you say.
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That makes little sense to me. Simply getting rid of religion would not make people rational. The problem lies more in having value systems that don't have enough in common, as values and emotions do what rationality can't - motivate actions.
Besides religion there are all sorts of different non-rational, non-religious belief systems for people to be raised into or follow anyways. Without having enough in common between values and world views rationality isn't going to have any power to win people over.
Seems to me that when it comes to conflicts that come out of serious, values-based differences which can't be factually disputed the only solution besides avoidance of each other is for one side to overwhelm and replace or marginalize the other.