[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I enjoyed this movie for what it was and understand that you can't make an actual Star Trek movie in the day of overblown 200 million dollar movies with requisite big dumb endings.

That being said, this movie is a pretty looking echo of wrath of khan. The biggest reason for Wrath being better is that there is actually a reason for the villain to feel wrath towards the film's hero.


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Kirk and Khan are incidental characters to each other in this movie; Khan has no beef with Kirk here, and if anything, Kirk has more motivation for 'wrath' after what happens in the briefing with Robocop.

Again, I like this movie for what it is. Wrath of Khan is ten times the film, made for less than 10 percent of this film's budget.

This may be a bit off topic, but is anyone else just done with CGI? It's to the point now where there's absolutely nothing impressive about it. Practical stunt work, models, miniatures, all still look vastly more interesting because there's more artistry behind it. You don't get to see a truck flip over and explode in real life, so when you saw it in Commando in the 80s, there was more of a reason for you to be excited or interested in it. The space battles in Star Wars are amazing in no small part because of the intricate model work and camera action required to bring those scenes to life.

Even to use Star Trek as an example. Watch the Mutara Nebula/Genesis countdown scenes in wrath of khan, and even Stealing the Enterprise from Search for Spock. In all of these scenes, nothing happens with any speed whatsoever, yet the tension in all three exceeds anything a few fast edits and a non-existent CGI enterprise could muster. Ask yourself why this is. And then ask why Hollywood insists on doing business the way they do.

Someone needs to tell them that if they make movies with good stories and visuals that supplement the story rather than star in the movie more than the actors, you can make movies for a fraction of the cost and still make your money. As I mentioned, wrath of khan was made for about 12 million and took in 79 million actual dollars. Whatever into darkness makes, it will not be that level of return on investment.

So figure your #### out, Hollywood.

But if you look at it This is more pre-space seed then wrath of Khan.

At the end of Space Seed Khan didn't have a hatred for Kirk, and Kirk didn't for Khan.

He gave Khan a planet and a chance to build a civilization, and Khan had a wife and was eager to build it.

Capt. Kirk: [offering Khan a hostile planet to inhabit] Those men went on to tame a continent, Mr. Khan. Can you tame a world?
Khan Noonien Singh: Have you ever read Milton, Captain?
Capt. Kirk: Yes. I understand.

[Khan is escorted out by Security]
Scott: It's a shame for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I'm not up on Milton
Capt. Kirk: The statement Lucifer made when he fell into the pit: "It is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven."
Mr. Spock: It would be interesting, Captain, to return to that world in 100 years and learn what crop had sprung from the seed you planted today.