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Originally Posted by moon
For trades, the Gay trade isn't a rip off but is such a horrible idea and terrible addition that perhaps that fits in the big picture rather than bad trade. Lowry didn't cost much but is another player the team doesn't need and a deal I would take back if we could. James Johnson was a useless addition. The O'Neal deal is awful. I guess I can't remember a single good deal that he made a bunch of decent value but awful players he acquired and some bad deals. Doesn't sound like a very good track record at all.
Drafting a lot has to do with their being not much available at his pick but still can't think of one good pick, maybe Valcunias but that seems doubtful so far.
Bargnani obviously a bad pick, 2007 no pick, 2008 losing Hibbert sucks, Derozan was a bad pick (although extending him even worse), Ed Davis meh pick at best with better players picked around him, Valcunias ? and Ross looks like a back-up at best. I don't see much in terms of good there and some poor picks. Again the sticking with Bargnani and Derozan makes this look even worse much like secondary factors make the deals look bad.
I just don't see many positives during the time he was here and certainly almost nothing going forward. The best player he brought in I guess is Rudy Gay who is a one dimensional gunner who is almost impossible to contend with and impossible with his contract. He built a boring, terrible team and leaves behind a cap nightmare, at best mediocre team with little to no shot at the title until someone can come in move out the mess Colangelo made.
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I guess we'll agree to disagree on his draft choices as I think they got solid players for where they drafted in these drafts. Bargnani wasn't a bad pick at the time with his upside potential. Who knew he wouldn't assert himself? In a perfect world if you had all the perfect information, you could easily redo the draft and select another player, but almost every player he's ever drafted has turned out to be solid (not steller, but solid) for where they were drafted compared to those who went after. To me that's not even arguable that he did solid in his drafting. I'd also argue he had a longer term plan in mind when it came to drafting (see Valanciunas and Ross).
It was more his other signings and some trades that showed no vision for the future, which in many ways were overpaying because they were a team outside the states aka: Landry Fields (yuk!).
I think in part the problem could be he had a vision for the future with various ideas, but there were quite a few bombs thrown in which came out of nowhere. The biggest to me was the Tyson Chandler deal that Cuban and MJ interfered with. That would have changed the franchise dramatically and that surely messed a few things up. There were also other deals that came close but didn't happen which would have been great for Toronto. Even Bosh's departure came somewhat of a surprise.
His signings which didn't work out he got good value in return for, which I don't mind (O'Neal, Turkoglu, etc). Those deals set them back though because they went from potential contenders to a year behind, but again, they weren't bad trades. As for the James Johnson deal, no biggie - getting into fights with coaches which was public knowledge, brought his value down. Besides, Colangelo got a few players from other teams for a second rounder. Unless you have a lottary pick, it almost means nothing in the NBA, so dealing outside that is probably not going to lose you much.