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Originally Posted by Est1980

Well when a group of people walk into another country, set up shop, declare themselves another country

You mean when when a group of people walk back into the area they were exiled from. The last time the area we know as Israel (West Bank et al) was a sovereign country was when Zedikeah was king. Ancient steles in Iraq note tribute paid to Persian kings by the kings of Israel. that area has mostly been a province of other empires - most recently the Ottoman Empire & the British Empire. There was no sovereign country there in 1948 - it was British Mandate Palestine / Transjordan.

then start practicing apartheid against the locals

This is just standard slander on your part, trying to equate Israel with Apartheid era South Africa without understanding the definition of apartheid.
In Israel there are no Jewish only beaches or separate Arab entrances. Everyone can eat at the same restaurants, ride the same buses, sue their neighbors, etc. Yes, some Arab communities prefer to send their kids to Arab schools (they get government funding) - same as Catholics have a separate system in AB.

Gaza is different - No Jews Allowed there.

West Bank is also different - yes there are separate roads. Roads to Jewish communities try to bypass Arab towns for safety reasons (yes, I hear you - if they weren't there in the first place they would be safer. We can debate the Israeli Government's settlement policy in a separate forum).

Israel seems to get a free pass from the pro Semetic media and governments here

Again, BS. Israel has had more resolutions passed against it by the UN, NGO, and religious groups then any other country - mostly because they have lop sided, spiteful votes. According to the UN, Amnesty, and others Israel is more of a threat to the world than North Korea (threatening nuclear war last month), Syria (who knows how many are dying there), and Afghanistan put together.

there a no free passes for Israel.

but are never held to account for the decades of segregation, murder, "resettlement", dehumanization and objectification tactics they so expertly learned from the Nazis. When they get called on their bull####, they scream racism and play the "Woe's me!" Holocaust card.

This is not anti-Israel material. It does not question the Israeli government's policies or tactics. It is close to anti-semitism - Accusing Jews of systematic murder and ethnic cleansing, collaborating with the Nazis, and controlling the world so that it can happen. This is where the crazy is.

Enough is enough. Yank every single dollar, and every bullet given to them and let them stand on their two feet. But don't be surprised if they get wiped out because all they have done is make enemies of the locals.

Please do. the last time Israel was left to stand on their own four Arab armies had to run back to mommy with their tails tucked between their legs. Same will happen again. (Note 1956, 1967 (hello Cairo), 1973). The last 2 conflicts (Gaza & Lebanon) the US held Israel on a very tight leash - threatening to cut off aid and trade if Israel did not accept cease fire terms.

I say bring it on, no holds barred, and with in 2 months we will be discussing Israel trading most of Syria & Jordan & the Sinai for peace with the current boarders.

And spare me the "They are the only democracy in the Middle East" crap too. They practice just as brutal tactics as their enemies as are practiced on them. Just because they elect the butchers, doesn't change the morality of the acts.

Israelis have elected many doves, as well as many Arab Israelis (who all call for the destruction of the country). Lebanon can be called a democracy, at least they hold a semi-regular election. Abbas' 4 year term was up 6 years ago. You can watch Assad's reaction to democracy requests almost nightly.

I guess if a country doesn't elect a government you like then it is a sad dictatorship. Wonder what you think of Canadian democracy?

Unlike others, I won't say "go away". I like to know where the crazies are.
Bringing the debate to light only helps.