[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by fleury

Managing in baseball is just a title. To me, it's simply managing the bullpen effectively, and to me Gibbons has done that well. The hitters for some very odd reason, are simply not hitting and the starters are doing crap. Are the coaches to blames? I tend to not believe that and I'm not sure a shakeup would be appropriate. There hasn't been a peep that he's also not well liked, so what good would getting rid of him be? His guys simply can't get on base which is disturbing, and perplexing. I don't know what to think of how they can fix this, really.

Thought I was clear when I said, "probably won't help" and also thought I was clear that I want Gibbons gone because I don't think he should have even been hired to begin with..? The same way many posters thought Hartley was a terrible hire from jumpstreet, I (and many, many others) felt the same about Gibbons and this horrid start certainly hasn't changed my oppinion.

John Gibbon's isn't a winner, and the Jays will never be one so long as he is around.