[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well Lanny I have to commend you on your persistance of stupidy.

Tell me about it. I can't believe I waste the keystrokes on someone as stupid as you (and as big a liar btw).

I'll start with your Pakistan is the(only) Ally in the area of the US and the US needing India to keep them in line. If Pakistan is a ally why does the US need India for?

Gee, I dunno dumbass, could it be because Pakistan will be an ally only as long as Musharaf is around? FOUR assassination attempts against him in the past three years. Seems like a real popular guy in his own country.

If (more like when) Musharaf gets whacked that is going to toss the country into chaos. The people in the country are Islamic and have a great hatred for the United States. No one in their right mind is going to step in and get cozy with the Americans again, no matter how much "good will" the Americans throw their way. America will be without an ally should Pakistan go with one of the Islamists that had been leading the ISI (which is the way the people are demanding). By playing the Indians against Pakistan it sends a message to the Pakistanis that they will be without the American support that has kept the Indians in check to this point. Pakistan will have much incentive to remain America's lap dog in the region so it will continue to receive the military and financial support it presently does.

Now for the Pakistan and Iran are close because they are Shia. Pakistan is 77% Sunni and 20% Shia. Oops. Link for details. http://www.freedomhouse.org/template...5&country=6807

Hmmmm, and where is Al Qaeda hiding? Pakistan. Where are the largest protests taking place in the Islamic world? Pakistan. Who has tried to kill their president FOUR times since he allowed the United States access to their country? Pakistan. I hate to break it to you, but Pakistan and Iran are two of the only countries in the world that recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan, and they supported them. Ooooops!

Now the Iran and India are not close. Lets just ignore that 40 billion dollars IS a big deal. Especially on that is so long term and probably grow to 100 billion. We're not talking about the exchange of carrots at a market here. But lets ignore that.

Thank you for finally admitting the obvious. A game tape just arrive to fill you on this detail?

From Russia with love; http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2003/12/15/51790.html
Close ties between Iran and India may guarantee stability, safety and development of the region, Iranian president Mohammad Khatami reported.

Wow, no ****. Guarantee stability? Now where did I hear that before? Oh yeah, I said it earlier in this thread when pointing out the United States is more of a threat to the region than they are a benefit.

Pakistan and Iran not so Kosher... blah blah blah blah ... I could go on. But obviously India and Iran have close ties.

Yes, and I can post endless quotes from Doug Weight where he says that staying in Edmonton is his number one goal and he loves the fans and thinks the city is awesome, blah blah blah blah blah. Its called politics and saying the right things. Venezuela would say nice things about the United States if they signed a deal to supply them natural gas too. Would that mean they're bestest buddies like you suggest the Iranians and Indians are?

The only reason the two nations would have any relations what so ever is their involvement with the Soviets. They were likely brought to the table begrudgingly. Beyond that, the two nations have been enemies for hundreds of years. Or have you forgotten that little gap in ideology called religion. The Hindus and Muslims don't really like each other. Oh I know, that's all just for show. Don't let that thousand years of history get in the way. The Iranians just sold some natural gas to India, and people came out hugging and kissing, so they have GREAT relations!

Now if we can only get Venezuela to sell Pat Robertson some natural gas, oil or bananas, the world will be all sunshine and butterflies!!!

Pass the neo-con kool-aid!!!

As for the US wanting closer ties with India. I still have no idea what you are getting at. So what if India has strong relations with Russia or China or whoever else? How does that mean the US and India can't have a warming of relations? I would think that the Nuclear deal was an obvious warning flare to warming relations.

Are you really as stupid as you sound? The ONLY reason the U.S. is making friendly with India is to try and keep their ally, Pakistan, in check. Jesus, the Indians, a long time and on-going ally of the Russians, just made a gas deal with the "Axis of Evil", and America is climbing right into be with them, ****ing off their only ally in the region? Grab a freaking brain. Even for you this is an extremely obvious political move with intentions to keep Pakistan off balance.

And lastly. Lanny. The only way anyone can believe that the US dropped the Nagasaki bomb for the Russian is either a warped Moore-crockamentary-loving-hopeless- Anti-American. Or someone seriously unable to comprehend that there were not cell phones, landlines, fax machines or satelite communications back then. The two orders; The Russian declaration of war and the order to drop the second bomb came pretty much simultanious. The bomber was in the air long before any Russian soldiers crossed the Manchurian frontier.

The only controversy is whether the 2nd bomb was necessary or not. Should the Amercans waited? Nice to have 20-20 no pressure, sitting in front of my computer with no millions of lives at stake hindsight to make that decision.

Who gives a **** whether a soldier had crossed over in Manchuria? The declaration is what matters. And that declaration was not a surprise. The Americans knew this was coming and had warned the Russians numerous times to keep their noses out of the conflict. The Americans had played the Russians like a fiddle, using them to soften the Germans to the point where their invasion of Europe would be successful, and they wanted to keep the Russians out of the Pacific mix. The Russians had been talking about getting into the mix long before the declaration. They didn't just decide to jump in one day, they had this on the books for a while. The Americans were not willing to let the Russians in to make their land grab (which the Russians did anyways). This was a big signal to back the hell off.

And take you're "cellphones and satallites" crap and ram it up your ass. Information got around very well during the war. The "wireless" was slow by todays standards, but enabled communication very easily. My father was a telegrapher during the war and communications internationally took minutes. So you're idea that there had to be a Pony Express rider waiting for every communication is a joke. Christ, the Japanese sent the message of the Pearl Harbor attack and declaration of War to their ambassador the morning of the attack. The Russians amassed their troops and then notified Washington of the declaration. 24 hours later the second bomb was dropped. And to you, that's just a coincidence. Yup, obviously just had to show the Japanese some more resolve after fire bombing Tokyo into destruction and the whiping Hiroshima off the map. I mean, it was obvious to the Japanese that they were still in this game!