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Old 03-19-2013, 10:57 AM   #191
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Originally Posted by meanmachine13 View Post
If, as one account claimed, the situation resulted because the victim was sitting down on an escalator, this is completely excessive force. Its also crazy how those 2 other guards come running in and have to be held back, regardless of what else has happened.

I work in security and this level of force is unacceptable, if the person wasn't doing anything violent. I have had to deal with situations much more serious than this and have never had to punch anyone.
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Originally Posted by valo403 View Post
Is he? He's clearly actively resistant to getting stomped on by 6 guys, but where was he before? Your line of thinking would make it acceptable for the security staff to cause the escalation and then justify it by the victim responding as you would expect any average person to, by resisting.

You don't get to precipitate and escalate a situation and then blame the victim for responding in kind. That's not how this works.
He is in the video, we don't know about before, save one account which might not have had complete information or might be biased towards the victim. If he wasn't actively resisting in the video, it would have taken about 10 seconds to get the cuffs on, not over a minute with the guards actively struggling to get him to stay still. So based solely on the video we have, you can only assume he was actively resisting.

I am also assuming that there is video elsewhere which establishes if he was beforehand, which really is what needs to be relied upon when considering if the level of force is appropriate (aside from the punching, which is over the line for sure).
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