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Oh goodie. Another Quebec-bashing thread on Calgarypuck.
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Oh goodie another broad generalization, there was no Quebec bashing here, in fact I say good for the PQ government for realizing that their stupid promises on educational savings couldn't be realistically met. This is news it deserves a place of debate here and yes, there is a bit of gleeful bashing of a protest that really resembles an episode of friends, a protest about nothing.
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Personally, I say good for them. I think more students should be standing up for more affordable education. I remember protesting with my student union for lower tuition and my professor at the time got a kick out of our protests. "You aren't going to get anywhere unless you are more militant in your demands. A nice quiet 'Please don't make education less accessible please Mr. Politician.' is useless'.
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So your professor was advocating militant protests and possibly what violent protests? Theres a guy that belongs in the academic world.
$70.00 per year is not a wallet breaking increase, and isn't the difference between affordable and unaffordable tuition. With Quebec's incredibly cheap tuition, balanced by the fact that Quebec is running into a wall financially due to their over spending on elaborate social programs and policing languages somethings got to give and $70.00 is reasonable compared to the 30% increase that the previous government wanted to phase in.
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Yes, Quebec already has the lowest tuition across the country. But not because their's is too low, but because everywhere else is way too high.
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Or Quebec's is too low and too heavily subsidized and the costs increase every year.
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Ugh that article was almost written in crayon or on an etch a scetch
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These students are not looking to live off the trough as "entitled brats". They are looking to get an education so they can get a good job.
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Costs don't live in a bottle they increase every year and students are going to have to absorb a small percentage of that so forgive me for a lack of sympathy. What does the government absorb of the increased costs in wages and material at these universities compared to the students. $70.00 is a token amount. Suck it up and pay it.
There is guaranteed education in this country to a high school level, in a lot of ways post secondary which isn't mandatory is a privilege so that Students can invest in their future income potential as the government does, but that doesn't mean it should be free. Unless at some point future generations are punished when a free tuition model collapses the system.
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As much as CC poo-poos this as "$70 a year", it's a 3% increase each year for the next 5 years. Most students won't be making 3% more each year for the next 5 years working at Provigo or whatever part time job they can get between classes. Which means more loans. And I think the concern of the student strikers is that if they speak out now and stop the increases, there is nothing to stop the situation there to be as bad as it is elsewhere in Canada.
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Those increases are going to happen, protesting over a $1500 increase over three years maybe is relevant, walking around with your Ipod's and Iphones in your designer clothes bitching about a $70.00 increase is ridiculous and self entitled.
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I know many parents that are PRAYING that their child is able to get some kind of scholarship because they know they cannot afford tuition costs here in Ontario. The only option then is starting your working career with a massive student debt.
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A lot of us had to do that and pay it back, the benefit as increased career options, we invested in our futures and earned it.
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I don't know if you remember my friend Evan who pied Chretien. He most certainly regrets that stunt.... not because of going to jail for the incident but because nobody knows that the reason he did it was because it was a protest against the high cost of education. I may not agree with his methods, but I do agree with his stance.
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Your friend was respectfully ######ed., especially if nobody understood what his protests were about, maybe he should get a refund on his tuition because he's a moron.
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My belief is that everyone should be given an equal chance in life. And if the rich can afford the best schools, while the poor have the choice of not being educated or racking in massive debt on the lottery ticket of getting a good job, then the system is broken. I say good on the Quebec students for standing up whereas the students around the rest of the country meekly get walked all over. |
I don't believe that there is an equal chance in life, when you hit the university age competition has to kick in, and flooding the schools with everyone getting free degrees isn't going to improve anything in limited job markets. There are so many teachers, lawyers and engineering positions out there. A utopian society where everyone has degrees would never ever work.
Not to sound unsympathetic, but giving someone something for completely free goes right to the entitlement issues that we're facing now.
If your not willing to suffer a bit for your future then maybe you've picked the wrong future.
Bashing Quebec? Nah, good on Quebec for at least making a token increase towards sanity, it should have been double or triple to keep the educational system sustainable.