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Originally Posted by driveway
Imagine a team called the Helsinki Soviets, then multiply that by genocide. That's essentially what every native-themed sports team is. Particularly the Redskins.
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You keep saying that and I keep not believing you. I think we're starting to reach a point where I at least don't have more to say.
As to your analogy, no way that can work. I'm a privileged white guy from a free country, and I hope that I will never be able to relate.
As to genocide, worth mentioning I think; during WWII Finns had camps for Russian POW:s and even civilians that were third in fatality rates after the ones Hitler and Stalin put up. IMO you can say that we did as much to them than they did to us in the two wars. We also had an active eugenics policy as late as 1960's, later than pretty much anyone else in the world. (Wasn't directed towards Russians though.)
So basicly our role in recent history is more like that of the nazis than the jews.
More relevantly, some of the worst things Finland has done to Saami people and Roma people were born out of attempts to help them. So
vestigia terrent, basicly. Finnish government tends to be pretty careful about "helping other people" these days, and I'm with that.
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Originally Posted by driveway
The issue is that in the particular case of native-themed names, people are standing up and saying they are offended.
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Show it to me in significant numbers, and show me that there isn't an equal number of the same people who think they are cool, and then we'll talk more.
As far as I see this is really just about the placement of "the line" anyway, not the need for it to be somewhere.
As I said, I see a world of difference between "Redskins" and "Blackhawks". I'm pretty much with you on "Redskins". "Indians", yeah, theoretically I think you could make it work, but in practice better to just change it. With Blackhawks I need more convincing. Case by case.