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Old 02-14-2013, 08:04 PM   #193
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Hmm, late to the discussion, but funnily enough I kind of agree with Mikey here. Is this a first?

People have always been fascinated by warriors, and often especially so by exotic warriors. That is IMO the most accurate historical background of native American symbolism in sportswear in most cases.

And maybe it's just me, but for me the whole name-changing business stinks of whitewashing history and trying to sweep it under the rug. Own your sins, don't try to hide them.

So basicly IMO there's nothing wrong with a team named "Indians" as such, and the history of it is kind of funny really. Personally I connect it more to the history of ignorance and stupidity by whites anyway.

However, the Indians really should change that logo, because that I think is offensive without question.

"Redskins" is a borderline name for me, and I think conducting a true poll about it with some relevant native communities (or their representatives or what ever is feasible) would be the right way to go.

It's like if I sleep with your wife, it's only cheating if nobody asks you. Sorry, first example that came to mind But speaking more generally, asking is a way of giving ownership.

The Blackhawks-name I see nothing wrong with. I think people are really reaching in their claims that there is some kind of a relevant oppressive undertone to it. I think it's rather clear that the name is related to badassery and fighting hard, not losing and getting slaughtered and humiliated.

I'd also like to point this out: associations can change over time. Just because native Americans were essentially considered subhuman in the past by many doesn't mean that every symbol from that age needs to carry that load forever. I believe it's more effective to fight the negative stereotypes than the symbols of those stereotypes. The stereotypes will never go away, and there will always be some symbols attached to them no matter what you do. You can only do your best to not make those stereotypes offensive. ("Wrong" is not offensive in itself. And every stereotype ever is wrong in some sense.)

Also, you have to be kidding me if you're trying to claim that the Blue Jackets are not a civil war themed team.

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