[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Daradon

But that's what I've saying, and I said it in my first post. Man made climate change. I've just shortened it cause it's a lot to write everytime.

Look, the expert who was hired by the Koch brothers recently recanted his research and said he was wrong, even the talking heads on Fox News are starting to admit it is man made. Current global warming trends is at the least SERIOUSLY contributed to by humans and at the worst, almost completely causing it. It's proven. Period. The science has only gotten better since they started looking at the 80's. There have been hiccups along the way, but the science is there. It doesn't matter what the politicians or capitalists are saying, THE SCIENCE IS THERE!

And for greedy scientists or environmental firms, as I said last page, the fact that they are driving a conspiracy or acting solely on greed makes no sense. There's just not that much money there. It makes far more sense that any conspiracy or greed is driven by people who are currently benefiting greatly from the status quo. Again, this conversation about which side has it right or who is more at fault is a false equivalency.

So any conversation about the legitimacy of man made climate change is just delaying us from the real question (and possibly hurting our chances of fixing it). The question being, 'what do we do now? and how can we all work together to do it?'

And of course they want to delay the question. Just like cigarette makers wanted to delay the question, and every other group with a ton of cash that saw the end coming.

The stupid thing is, if we start to take small changes to fix things now, and energy firms branch out into other areas, they can still live as industry leaders and we can solve environmental problems too. Short term pain for long term gain. But no, the model of business in the 21st century is squeeze every last cent out, drop out with your golden parachute, and let the next guy worry about sustainability of the company (and possibly the bigger problems about damage to the world).

Man cannot fix it. Man does not control the climate. Period, end of story. Man can change what they put in the atmosphere which may have a very small degree of input but climate will eventually change regardless.