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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
LOL find anyone that denys the climate is changing. Everyone realizes that it's changing. The debate is just how much is caused by man and how much is cyclical. We simply still don't understand enough to draw any definitive conclusions as scientists are still don't have definitive answers for past solar cycles let alone the current one. There is no doubt man is contributing somewhat by the increase in greenhouse gasses but even the most qualified scientist couldn't tell you exactly how much or how siginifcant just their own theories.
Mix this in the lack of full knowledge with politics and it's impossible to decipher truth from lies as there's two sides to the argument and both sides have have something to gain financially from the outcome wether it be oil companies that want consumers to keep burning oil or politicians looking for an angle to gain votes, scientists looking for funding, companies with alternate power/air cleaning technologies, etc that benefit greatly from a shift in energy consumption laws. I don't have much faith in man knowing that greed, money, and power are without a doubt the main motivators in all politics and business and I'm simply going to go with history here until the global warming movement can prove without a doubt that man is the reason for global warming.
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But that's what I've saying, and I said it in my first post. Man made climate change. I've just shortened it cause it's a lot to write everytime.
Look, the expert who was hired by the Koch brothers recently recanted his research and said he was wrong, even the talking heads on Fox News are starting to admit it is man made. Current global warming trends is at the least SERIOUSLY contributed to by humans and at the worst, almost completely causing it. It's proven. Period. The science has only gotten better since they started looking at the 80's. There have been hiccups along the way, but the science is there. It doesn't matter what the politicians or capitalists are saying, THE SCIENCE IS THERE!
And for greedy scientists or environmental firms, as I said last page, the fact that they are driving a conspiracy or acting solely on greed makes no sense. There's just not that much money there. It makes far more sense that any conspiracy or greed is driven by people who are currently benefiting greatly from the status quo. Again, this conversation about which side has it right or who is more at fault is a false equivalency.
So any conversation about the legitimacy of man made climate change is just delaying us from the real question (and possibly hurting our chances of fixing it). The question being, 'what do we do now? and how can we all work together to do it?'
And of course they want to delay the question. Just like cigarette makers wanted to delay the question, and every other group with a ton of cash that saw the end coming.
The stupid thing is, if we start to take small changes to fix things now, and energy firms branch out into other areas, they can still live as industry leaders and we can solve environmental problems too. Short term pain for long term gain. But no, the model of business in the 21st century is squeeze every last cent out, drop out with your golden parachute, and let the next guy worry about sustainability of the company (and possibly the bigger problems about damage to the world).