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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
You are trying to justify your position by stating that a player they got by trading one of the players they got from us is contributing with their farm club. Think about that.
As far as Phaneuf playing 30 minutes a night goes, so did Bouwmeester in the past. Has he been a great player in your view? What about Chris Butler playing big minutes last year?
Dion Phaneuf as Leafs captain reminds me of Todd Simpson as our captain - the guy gets the letter because there is nobody else.
Overall though, I think you are introducing a false dichotomy. I am saying that the Leafs did not fleece the Flames, not that Phaneuf is terrible and worthless and anything else you are implying. I said in the other Phaneuf thread that the dude is trending into a slightly better version of Derek Morris. Which is to say that he will be a serviceable player for a long time. But he is already a shadow of what he was early in his NHL career, and it seems less and less likely that he will ever reach the potential we held for him.
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Both teams got a bad deal.
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You just said it was a bad deal and now you are backtracking saying he's trending to a serviceable defenseman, one that scored double digit goals and 40+ points last year. The fact is like Moon said before Phaneuf isn't nearly as bad as you and others like to paint him and a lesser defenseman such as Luke Schenn fetched Van Riemsdyk. It's not a bad deal for the Leafs until Phaneuf turns into a player so bad that they have to bury him on the depth chart as a #1 defenseman is a #1 defenseman and there are less than 40 in the league.
Give it up already as you can't win this argument.