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Originally Posted by Azure
Again, I agree with sensible gun control. I just don't see how an outright ban on anything will work.
Obama has a lot of good ideas. Research on gun violence is also a good idea. Why it was banned for all these years just goes to show who controls things in the US.
There is overwhelming evidence that the vast majority of crime can be attributed to social conditions. Majority of gun crime is the same way. Interestingly enough, the US has a huge problem with poverty, welfare and an effective social safety net.
So yes I think the debate is being framed the wrong way. Gun control is a small part of the solution.
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I know you personally agree with the current recommendations, and are a small c conservative. I wasn't arguing against you. Just the idea that these recommendations of Obama's have met such vitriol and excitement even though very few of them actually even focus on guns themselves.
Most of them are just common sense. Head up the ATF. Start tracking and recording gun crimes, allow studies. Shoot, I don't even remember if he even actually asked for more controls and data on selling. I don't think he did. Even that would be a small but obviously needed step. But I don't even think it went that far.
But no, the NRA and various groups have whipped it up into such a debate, and so many people are drinking the kool-aid. So many people don't even know what they are fighting for, they are so ill informed. They just 'know' that Obama wants to take away their guns and that they hate him for it. They can't name you any of the recommendations. They don't know that gun measures and control up to this point actually REALXED under Obama. Nope.
So of course people on this side are going to start getting frustrated. Look at every little incident. Make fun, take pot shots. Maybe it isn't correct, maybe it doesn't help the argument, but when one side is so blind and so vicious, what do you expect?
(I'll get to your point about correctly framing the debate in my next post here)