[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Your knowledge of history is tenuous at best as is your grip or reality.

Seems only you seem to hold that opinion, and the majority of posters here seem to think that you're view of history is "tenuous at best". Personally I just think you're full of ****.

Someone who says and believes that a murderous dictator is needed to keep people in line and spew that they, the Iraqis, had no idea what they were doing as though you and you alone had intimate knowledge of what Iraqis thought or knew is at the very least arrogant and more likely truely insane.

Well, now you're just taking my comments completely out of context, which for a lying piece of **** like yourself is understandable. You have not been able to convince anyone of anything in this thread, except that your view is completely skewed. What I did say was "There is a reason why so many people in America are demanding an immediate withdrawl and to let Iraq go its own way. There is a reason why some are suggesting the reinstatement of Hussein, or someone like him. With the religious fragmentation that exists in Iraq, the only thing that can hold that country together is someone who can opress the living hell out everyone and MAKE the people live together."

I also added, "under Hussein Iraq was the most progressive of the Arab countries. Women had rights and were considered useful in society. Now that the strongman is gone, and non-secular agendas are being pursued, Iraq is getting ready to step back to the 8th century for societal norms."

What I said was that the country NEEDED a strongman leader that could indeed stand up to the religious sects and FORCE them to respect each other's differences, or keep them under wraps for the stability of the country. What's really ironic is that quite a few "experts" on the subject are now suggesting the same thing. Reza Aslan, Fareed Zakaria, Bob Baer, and John Burns have all made comments in the past couple months that Iraq was better off prior to the invasion and that a step back to the government model that was in power is likely the only way to stabilize the region. I'll take the word of these guys over a no mind idiot like yourself.

No one in their right mind could possibly take you seriously when you say such things. It has nothing to do with being for or against the Anglo-American invasion or occupation. Those things that you HAVE said are truely whacked!

Whacked? But supporting the illegal invasion of another sovereign nation that has seen thousands of people killed, created a state of civil war, destabalized an entire region of the world, and cost each citizen of the United States $3,000 dollars (to date) is okay? Wow, you are a piece of work.

You have turned a blind eye to reality and history and instead have twisted history to your own liking.

Really? And what history is that? Definitely nothing that you have talked about. I have spoken to the history of the region and the history of the people themselves.

You make the point that the Americans are/were holding a gun to their heads and the Iraqis should have been(be) allowed to make their own choices.

That is correct. The Americans have invaded a sovereign nation and are attempting to install a democracy of their making. That is democracy at the end of a gun.

When did the Americans, Brittish, Japanese, Korean, Dutch, Italian, etc... put a gun to the Iraqi's collective heads and say "VOTE OR ELSE!"????

Seems they just have. You may want to ask someone for some game tapes of the past three years. Seems you have missed a substantial amount of news that has been taking place in this country called Iraq.

It was quite the opposite. It was the terrorists saying "Don't vote or else". The Iraqi people made a choice to ignore that threat and vote, 3 times! No one forced them to do that. No one. They made their choice. They chose to elect their government. The first time in their lives. No one was installed except by the Iraqi people themselves. Some how this is invalid because, according to you, they don't have internet access or TV and didn't check out the issues properly? Lanny before TV and the internet arrived in Canada...were we a democracy??

Okay, you're officially the stupidest SOB I have ever seen. Do you understand how democracy works? Obviously not. Do yourself a favor and try and wrap you pea-sized brain around the concept of an illiberal democracy, as that is what has developed in Iraq. The people voted, but did not have a comprehension of WTF they were doing. They voted for who their imam told them to vote for. People voted multiple times. There were more voting irregularities than a Florida election. If that does not tell you that this "vote" was invalid, and that the people were not aware of how the voting process functioned, or what responsibility that vote had, then the whole democratic principle is lost on you. No, it IS lost on you. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Editted for erro in math.