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Originally Posted by Azure
Saurman is in the Hobbit. Or at least in the timeframe. The White Council had meetings during the time where the Hobbit was going down, and it had more to do with how to deal with Sauron being alive in Dul Guldur. IIRC, Saurman initially refused to believe it because he wanted to gain the one ring for himself, but after being presented with undeniable evidence, the wizards banded together to drive him out of Dul Guldor and back to Mordor. Of course that probably won't be mentioned, unless they do it in the 2nd movie.
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I understand that he is in the timeframe, I'm just wondering if he's actually in the book. To make the movies longer Jackson inserted a lot of the backstory and world building that took place when Tolkien flushed out his world in the Similarion and such. But of course that was after the Hobbit, even after Lord of the Rings.
It's the kinda of backwards problem you get when you write a prequel or anything out of order. You have to explain motivations that led up to the originals because the audience knows about them, but it can shade the original writings.
Going back to the Smaug example, I don't think at the time of original publication, and therefor the story, Gandulf worried about Sauron, or him possibly enslaving Smaug. It was just a fantasy story about dwarves and dragons. I don't even know if Sauron was even thought up yet. With LotR bringing in the wider scope of the war between Sauron and the forces of good, and his return, Tolkien was able to flush out history making that (the Smaug example) possible. Hence the need to explain the council, Sauruman, etc. Because we, as an audience, know of those things now even though the characters never did. So in it's remake as a prequel, it needs to be (or at least can be) addressed. But it never actually occurred in The Hobbit, because Tolkien hadn't thought it up yet.
Which is why I'm asking, cause I haven't read the book in a very long time. I'm trying to figure out which parts were actually in the book, and which were added to the move that were not in the book, even though they did end up in Tolkiens mythology later. And from that, maybe even some scenes that were not in the book, and not in the mythology, but were added to the movie to make it longer or more interesting. (IE some battle scenes)
I'm having a little trouble explaining what I'm meaning. When you have to talk about prequels that happened after, and sequels that are originals, and multiple timelines, my syntax and tenses get understandable messed up. Hopefully you understand.
I am 90% certain Sauruman wasn't in The Hobbit, and that even the Ring itself wasn't expected to be the central artifact it ended up becoming.