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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Great post. I guess I have a problem with the guards in schools because if your going to guard one you have to do it all. there are probably and I'm guessing about 260,000 schools in the United States going on some census information that I found.
I have problems with the level of training that's going to be needed, you can't use volunteers unless they're willing to go through not only a gun safety and a marksman course, but you need to put them through psychological testing and some kind of urban combat training course, because to be honest just having a guy with a gun at a school is not going to deter the true death dealing death seeking nut case.
The costs would be enormous for a program like this. The level of competency required is huge, and there's no guarantee that one or more of these guards won't actually be a killer.
You can deny it, but Pedo's get through background checks to coach youth teams, we just recently had a armed professional security guard gun down his work mates and rob a bank and nobody saw that coming, you had a military member kill his own.
Background checks and psych tests don't stop everyone but the obvious and the stupid.
I'm completely convinced that guns on site are not an answer to guns, unless your going to arm these security guards with MP10's or M16's they're going to be outgunned by these killers with what looks like advanced military grade hardware, and pistols are pretty useless in a shootout against a guy with a military grade assault rifle.
I think that the gun problem has to be fought on three fronts, the mindset in the States has to change. There's really no reason for automatic or semi automatic weapons, large capacity magazine fed weapons, hollow point and armor piercing bullets, laser and military grade sights and concealed weapons licenses. There's no reasons for gun shows where you can buy weapons on the side. You have to address this first set by changing the mindset, increasing punitive punishment for gun violence, looking at the testing process and registration process for weapons. The second amendment has to be looked at, the constitution should not be viewed as a suicide pact, or a murder enabling document.
Take a serious look at the mental health situation in the States, that speaks for itself, and when people say that these thrill killers will use other means like knives or explosives your right, but going past the point that someone said that they can make a viable explosive device in 5 hours, I would like to challenge that as I'm curious about the type of design he's talking about and what materials he's using, but that's beyond the point, guns are the greatest and quickest rage weapons ever created, especially semi and fully automatic weapons that carry lots of ammo. It has to be harder to get your hands on guns, and the mental health and background checks have to be more stringent. convicts should never be allowed to buy legal guns, nor should people with prior or current mental health issues. I think the waiting or cool down period has to be expanded to like 6 to 12 months between when you purchase and when you get your gun and the licensing price has to be high.
I also think that American's need to look at the underground gun market and be more stringent on border and harbor patrols to stop the shipments of cheap weapons from China and Asia and South America, and to also maintain a more stringent inventory requirement on domestic gun manufacturers.
Just my two cents.
Still horrified about the thought of a demented Barney Fife with a gun and either a hero complex with poor training, or a hatred of kids.
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I agree with everything you have said. Just to clarify i dont necessarily agree with security guards or quazi police force in the schools trained or not, i just dont agree that cost should be the determining factor in dismissing that particular idea.
I think any solution if there truly is a solution(TBH i dont think there is an answer) is going to be incredibly costly. There are no quick fixes and no easy answers because like you said regardless of how we prepare and safeguard our world you can't stop a death seeking death dealing nutcase because they dont have a playbook, everything with them is an audible.
Otherwise like i said I'm in complete agreement with you on just about everything. Until we can prescreen before birth these types of people, no matter what we do some will slip through the cracks, maim and kill.
I think your bang on about changing the mindset and culture of guns in the US and it starts with banning all the weapons you listed, but i will say this its not gonna be like a band-aid you cant just rip it off and see what happens. It's going to be a slow and drawn out process it takes a second to make a mistake a lifetime to atone.