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Originally Posted by RichKlit
First off i must say i grew up in the country and around rifles and shotguns(i even had a homemade 22 one shot pistol) so i probably have less of an issue with guns than most, but i will say this I see no need for fully or even semi auto rifles in a civilians hands. There is no justifiable reason anyone can give me as to why they NEED a rifle with that capability, none.
That being said i would fight tooth and nail to keep my rifle and shotgun which i believe not too many would have an issue with in this forum. There are many many legitimate reasons to own and use these weapons in country life. I was very against the gun registry for all the reasons that have been discussed to the point of madness many times before by people smarter than me.
I just dont know what can be done to stop the random attacks, I think getting rid of fully and semi auto weapons is a start but for those who are dismissing putting armed guards in school due to cost don't kid yourself any measure of gun control is going to cost just as much if not more due to extenuating circumstances such as court case, registries etc. Is it worth it in my opinion yes.
As to the guards in schools, im not sure why it is being dismissed out of hand, why are there cops on patrol? Crime still happens are they deemed to be worthless? Police enforcement is incredibly expensive i dont see anyone calling for the disbandment of the Police force(well some of you may want just that haha).
I have no answers other than to take away the semi and full auto weapons but there will still be attacks, you can take away all guns the attacks will still happen homemade bombs will be used or knives etc. I also find it funny how righteous some of the Canadians are being add 250 million people to our population and lets see where we are in relation then. We have our own history of shootings and our record with the First Nations are not something to many should be proud of.
There is no question the US has a love affair with guns and i agree with Captain when he says it will take time to change that mindset but remember there are bone heads, psycho's and killers in every country the US does not hold a patent on crazy. They also have largest media in the world we see and hear everything that could and does go wrong everywhere in the US more than any country in the world.
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Great post. I guess I have a problem with the guards in schools because if your going to guard one you have to do it all. there are probably and I'm guessing about 260,000 schools in the United States going on some census information that I found.
I have problems with the level of training that's going to be needed, you can't use volunteers unless they're willing to go through not only a gun safety and a marksman course, but you need to put them through psychological testing and some kind of urban combat training course, because to be honest just having a guy with a gun at a school is not going to deter the true death dealing death seeking nut case.
The costs would be enormous for a program like this. The level of competency required is huge, and there's no guarantee that one or more of these guards won't actually be a killer.
You can deny it, but Pedo's get through background checks to coach youth teams, we just recently had a armed professional security guard gun down his work mates and rob a bank and nobody saw that coming, you had a military member kill his own.
Background checks and psych tests don't stop everyone but the obvious and the stupid.
I'm completely convinced that guns on site are not an answer to guns, unless your going to arm these security guards with MP10's or M16's they're going to be outgunned by these killers with what looks like advanced military grade hardware, and pistols are pretty useless in a shootout against a guy with a military grade assault rifle.
I think that the gun problem has to be fought on three fronts, the mindset in the States has to change. There's really no reason for automatic or semi automatic weapons, large capacity magazine fed weapons, hollow point and armor piercing bullets, laser and military grade sights and concealed weapons licenses. There's no reasons for gun shows where you can buy weapons on the side. You have to address this first set by changing the mindset, increasing punitive punishment for gun violence, looking at the testing process and registration process for weapons. The second amendment has to be looked at, the constitution should not be viewed as a suicide pact, or a murder enabling document.
Take a serious look at the mental health situation in the States, that speaks for itself, and when people say that these thrill killers will use other means like knives or explosives your right, but going past the point that someone said that they can make a viable explosive device in 5 hours, I would like to challenge that as I'm curious about the type of design he's talking about and what materials he's using, but that's beyond the point, guns are the greatest and quickest rage weapons ever created, especially semi and fully automatic weapons that carry lots of ammo. It has to be harder to get your hands on guns, and the mental health and background checks have to be more stringent. convicts should never be allowed to buy legal guns, nor should people with prior or current mental health issues. I think the waiting or cool down period has to be expanded to like 6 to 12 months between when you purchase and when you get your gun and the licensing price has to be high.
I also think that American's need to look at the underground gun market and be more stringent on border and harbor patrols to stop the shipments of cheap weapons from China and Asia and South America, and to also maintain a more stringent inventory requirement on domestic gun manufacturers.
Just my two cents.
Still horrified about the thought of a demented Barney Fife with a gun and either a hero complex with poor training, or a hatred of kids.