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Originally Posted by TitovFTW
The Buster Olney tweet is just the worst. I get nothing from that.
The Jays don't need to make right now? I disagree. I think they're still the 3rd best team in the AFC East if the season started today and this is the type of trade that could make that type of impact. There's really not many alternatives out there. We also need to account for the market price on starting pitching. Look at the deals we've seen over the last two seasons and even this offseason. Let's also account for how much a player like this would cost in terms of Salary. I think it's more then a fair argument to say that a lot of the value a team might give up only having 3-5 years of Dickey is made up by the fact that you get him at a very discounted rate for the type of pitcher he can be. Anyone else you're looking at 5 years plus +20 million average. Bringing on Dickey still alows the Jays to even add more to their team and they get the value of 5 million this season owed to Dickey
These 28 year old constant CY Young contenders come along once in a blue moon. I also don't think this move means the Jays have completely sold the farm. There's still a ton of pitching depth in this organization, and you still have 3 years to continue to draft song and replenish your system. That's the luxury of not being going for it in a "1 year or bust". The Jays have given themselves enough time to replenish the farm so that they'll have reinforcements by then.
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I don't think you know where the Jays are at in the AL East right now any more than I do. Claiming they need Dickey to push them over the top at any cost when we haven't even seen how they play together is nothing more than guesswork. The team they have could add Marcum for nothing and win the AL East for all we know.
Also, the ability of teams to restock their teams farms quickly with financial resources is gone in the new system. It's going to be more similar to the NHL where bad management is rewarded with so many good prospects - there are firm caps on international free agents and the draft. The Jays can take the approach they did this year and sign a few higher profile guys at the expense of quantity but they aren't going to be able to re-stock the system the way teams burning through prospects have in the past.
Last, will Dickey take 13 a year from the Jays that he would have taken in NY who gave him his shot to start and where taxes are lower? I dunno. Either way, the Mets aren't trading 3 years of Dickey, they're trading 1. If the Jays negotiate an extension, they pay Dickey for that, not the Mets unless they want to sign and trade. Gives them a few extra million to spend this year, some of which they are apparently sending to the Mets to pay John Buck's salary in the deal.