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Originally Posted by TitovFTW
Hope you don't mind me playing devils advocate here but here goes.
Edwin Jackson is going to get 5 years and big money. I'd say that's more franchise handicapping then a D'Arnaud for Dickey trade. Especially for a guy who's about as average a pitcher as you can get, but stays healthy.
I think there is value in Dickey for not just one season but 3-4. That's possibly 3-4 seasons of a top of the rotation pitcher. There's some real value there and not just short term, the Jays don't win next season they're screwed in an LAA type of way.
You bring up the trade deadline pitchers, you're likely still going to have to give up value somewhat close to D'Arnaud and you get barely a quarter of service time (from a pitcher none the less) I think there's much more value in a full season of Dickey.
I think a lot of what your saying is fair but you're sort of selling Dickey short IMO. I think I might take him for 3-4 seasons over a #3 or #4 ceiling type of young guy with control.
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I understand why if you see Dickey as a 1 or 2 then you do this deal (though even then your top two position prospects at his age is too much IMO), but I simply don't think he's that good. Everyone argues that he's had 3 good years and last year was just a little better and part of the trend. He struck out 100 more batters last year than he ever had in any season of his career. He's a 3 WAR player and not a 5 to me.
Jackson is an erratic bum.. but the rumors are that he'll sign for 4/14. That's one more year than you'd commit to Dickey so I wouldn't say it handcuffs the team. Anyway I'd rather see them not go after either. If they are desperate for another top 5 arm, go after a Gavin Floyd type guy who you could probably land for a couple prospects the calibre of Stilson and who is a 2-3 WAR starter. Why blow up your system for a solid pitcher with one amazing season who is 38... just doesn't make sense.