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Originally Posted by TitovFTW
"You don't get wins unless you are good" That is simply not true. You can be awful and get great run support and win a whole hell of a lot of games!!!!
Win totals are not an important stat. You can easily win games and not be that good or lose games and be a great pitcher. If you put Clayton Kershaw on the Houston Astros, he would not win many games at all. That would have nothing to do with him and everything to do with the team around him. A Pitcher can not make batters hit the ball better or score runs.
Jamie Moyer is not a HOF'er. It bares to reason that if you are an All Star Pitcher, you're going to win more games then you lose over the course of your entire career. It's been proven by statistics a 100x over again that wins and losses don't matter. Jack Morris had a great W-L record but was really not that great of a pitcher at all. All those players had long careers and were great pitchers. Wins and Losses should fall in to order for them.
Every other stat for a pitcher is more important then W-L because it all depends on run support. A pitcher for the New York Yankees, the best offensive team in baseball is going to get more wins then one pitching for the Astros.
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If wins don't matter, why do they keep score. Baseball is all about winning. It's why teams play the game and how they determine who is the best. Dismissing wins is ridiculous.
A team will not keep sending out a pitcher unless he can still get wins. There are enough bodies, at cheaper salaries that there is always someone else. you don't get to over 250 wins without being good. How can someone who isn't good get 250 wins? Jack Morris was a five time all star, won three World Series, of which he was he postseason MVP in two and WS MVP in one. You are not a terrible player with those accolades. He had 14 opening day starts and was the highest paid pitcher several times during his career. They don't give those out to bad players. Morris may not be a HOFer, but he was a very good pitcher.