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Originally Posted by squiggs96
What gets teams to the playoffs? Wins. What determines who moves on to the next round? Wins. What determines the World Series champion? Wins.
This year Zito is 2nd best pitcher on the Giants. I love Lincecum. He's my current favourite player in baseball. I like Cain and MadBum more than Zito. It pains me to say that Zito has been better this year. It's crystal clear on that fact. When you evaluate the whole 2012 season up until now, Zito has been better. This is easy to say, being that I watch this team every day. When you evaluate the entire career, Cain, Lincecum and Bumgarner will have better careers. Going forward, the three of them will be better. All three will be long term starting pitchers that hopefully will thrive for the orange and black. That doesn't change that Zito had a better year this year. Lincecum was not good this year. He's been great in the playoffs as a relief pitcher, but he deserved to be sat. I hoped he was going to dominate game four, but he got rocked by a team that was ready for him in St. Louis. Bum's arm is dead. He's pitched too many innings. If they make it to the World Series, I would guess Bum doesn't get to start. In 2010 when they won Zito deserved to sit. He was the fifth best pitcher on that team at that time. That doesn't mean he wasn't the second best pitcher this year. Vogelsong has been very good during the playoffs, but over the year, Barry has been better. This year, being the 2012 season from starting until now, he is a top 25 pitcher in the NL.
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Wins as a team get you into the playoffs!!!! Can you not see the difference between a team record and a pitchers W-L record not being used as an accurate measure to rank a pitcher? The Giants won this year because they got great production out of the top of their rotation, they have a great bullpen and the NL's best offense in the second half. You've yet to refute any of my arguments. W-L records for pitchers don't matter because they can be so decieving. They don't tell us the full story. As I said, if Matt Cain went to the Astros, he would not have won many games this season. Correct? A pitcher could easily win more games then a better pitcher, because of the team he plays on? If the Giants are averaging 8 runs a game and the Blue Jays are averaging 5, the pitcher on the Giants is much more likely to win.
Matt Cain, Madison Bumgarnerm Ryan Vogelsong all had better years then Zito. In every single important stiatistic. They're better pitchers. It is literally insane to think the Giants would even think for a second of starting Barry Zito over Madison Bumgarner. I am not arguing Lincecum is good at all anymore. he lost a lot of his velocity and was brutal this season.