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Old 10-19-2012, 10:26 PM   #109
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Wins and losses don't matter.

Barry Zito is nowhere close to being a top 25 pitcher in this league. He's the 4th best on the Giants. Calling him 2nd best to ta team with MadBum is mind boggling on so many levels. Barry Zito is not that good, statistically clearly tell us that. Barry Zito has not been a good pitcher his entire time with the Giants. He got off to an okay start this year, but his numbers are so inconsistent.

The Giants had one of the best offenses in the NL the second half. I'm not sure why you keep quoting wins and losses for him or Lincecum, they don't matter. The way a pitcher pitches has no bearing on how an offense will perform. None what so ever. A pitcher can get tremendous run support and still pitch bad but win a game. A pitcher like Cliff Lee, can also put up amazing numbers but get no run support and lose games.

Barry Zito is not a top 25 pitcher in MLB. Barry Zito is the #4 or #5 stater on every single major league baseball team
What gets teams to the playoffs? Wins. What determines who moves on to the next round? Wins. What determines the World Series champion? Wins.

This year Zito is 2nd best pitcher on the Giants. I love Lincecum. He's my current favourite player in baseball. I like Cain and MadBum more than Zito. It pains me to say that Zito has been better this year. It's crystal clear on that fact. When you evaluate the whole 2012 season up until now, Zito has been better. This is easy to say, being that I watch this team every day. When you evaluate the entire career, Cain, Lincecum and Bumgarner will have better careers. Going forward, the three of them will be better. All three will be long term starting pitchers that hopefully will thrive for the orange and black. That doesn't change that Zito had a better year this year. Lincecum was not good this year. He's been great in the playoffs as a relief pitcher, but he deserved to be sat. I hoped he was going to dominate game four, but he got rocked by a team that was ready for him in St. Louis. Bum's arm is dead. He's pitched too many innings. If they make it to the World Series, I would guess Bum doesn't get to start. In 2010 when they won Zito deserved to sit. He was the fifth best pitcher on that team at that time. That doesn't mean he wasn't the second best pitcher this year. Vogelsong has been very good during the playoffs, but over the year, Barry has been better. This year, being the 2012 season from starting until now, he is a top 25 pitcher in the NL.
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