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Originally Posted by squiggs96
I looked up the list of MLB pitchers that have won 250 or more games. There are 46 men on that list with win totals ranging from 251-511. 33 of them are in the HOF. Of the 13 who aren't in yet, the list includes Maddux, Clemens, Glavine, Johnson, Mussina and Moyer, who will all likely make it in.
I find it hard to believe that a pitcher's win total means absolutely nothing. You don't get wins unless you are good. You can get some by being average, but you don't accumulate huge win totals without being an excellent pitcher. In no way am I saying Zito is a HOFer. What I am saying is that win totals are an important stat for pitchers and that Zito had a good 2012 season. The stat I would guess is the least important for a pitcher is velocity or maybe crotch grabs. Saying "Literally every other stat is more important when talking about pitchers", is incorrect.
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"You don't get wins unless you are good" That is simply not true. You can be awful and get great run support and win a whole hell of a lot of games!!!!
Win totals are not an important stat. You can easily win games and not be that good or lose games and be a great pitcher. If you put Clayton Kershaw on the Houston Astros, he would not win many games at all. That would have nothing to do with him and everything to do with the team around him. A Pitcher can not make batters hit the ball better or score runs.
Jamie Moyer is not a HOF'er. It bares to reason that if you are an All Star Pitcher, you're going to win more games then you lose over the course of your entire career. It's been proven by statistics a 100x over again that wins and losses don't matter. Jack Morris had a great W-L record but was really not that great of a pitcher at all. All those players had long careers and were great pitchers. Wins and Losses should fall in to order for them.
Every other stat for a pitcher is more important then W-L because it all depends on run support. A pitcher for the New York Yankees, the best offensive team in baseball is going to get more wins then one pitching for the Astros.