[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Thank you for this information, however, picking some of these and checking the sources, I seem to be having trouble confirming some of the claims. I hope you can help me with that.

No where in that publication is there any reference to that quote, nor could I locate any probable sociological sources in the references (who the hell uses footnotes but no citation list or bibliography?! - Damn Lawyers)

While it might be true, you seem to have quoted a youtube video, and I cannot locate the study they are claiming to reference.

Who is the perpetrator of that sexual abuse? I can think of many reasons why a single parent home would have more incidents of abuse, sexual or not, not relating to the sex of the parent.

Addictionally, it does not appear that the Family Research Labratory has any peer-review publications, so I am assuming this information has recieved little or no scrutiny.

Cannot locate any reference to the Radar report online, baring an episode of MASH and reports pertaining to Doppler Radar. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction?

Also, some of these statistics, even if they are true, are meaningless in the context of this discussion. Perhaps some details were left out, feel free to clarify.

What's the % for men?

Again, whats the % for men? What % of correctional employees are female?

Not relevant, and possibly misleading, without discussing how many of the people committing those murders were men or women.

Again, not relevant, and possibly misleading, without discussing how many of the people committing those acts against men were female.

This evidence is interesting, but without any sort of statistical data, meaningless. Is there a source?

“Now where in that publication is there any reference to that quote”

Rathji, first of all thank you for taking the time to review my massive post however I’m not sure you even read the document as that quote is literally the first sentence of the second paragraph of the introduction on the first page. Here is the entire paragraph:
“Over the last twenty-five years, leading sociologists have repeatedly found that men and women commit violence at similar rates. The 1977 assertion that “the phenomenon of husband battering” is as prevalent as wife abuse is confirmed by nationally representative studies, such as the Family Violence Surveys, as well as by numerous other sources. However, despite the wealth and diversity of the sociological research and the consistency of the findings, female violence is not recognized within the extensive legal literature on domestic violence. Instead, the literature consistently suggests that only men commit domestic violence. Either explicitly, or more often implicitly, through the failure to address the subject in any objective manner, female violence is denied, defended and minimized.”
As for sociological sources, these were listed conveniently at the bottom of the pages. Suzanne K. Steinmetz, The Battered Husband Syndrome, 1975 Family Violence Survey similar surveys conducted in 1985 and 1992 by the same individuals, see RICHARD J. GELLES, INTIMATE VIOLENCE IN FAMILIES (3d. ed. 1997) (comparing results of the 1975, 1985 and 1992 surveys) [hereinafter INTIMATE VIOLENCE IN FAMILIES]; RICHARD J. GELLES & MURRAY A. STRAUS, INTIMATE VIOLENCE (1988) To name a few.
The paper goes on to conclude this fact.
Here is some more research on the topic. It’s out there and Domestic Violence (DV) by women is factually just as serious and it must be addressed:
http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php
http://www.mediaradar.org/media_fact_sheet.php


“While it might be true, you seem to have quoted a youtube video”

Bernard Chapin is an honorable & honest man who presents is information in an entertaining way. In over 1300 videos I’ve never once seen him try to sell a lie as a fact. Integrity is important to him. If you still don’t like his delivery then here is a British study conducted in 2002 by a Susan Creighton:
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/briefings/physicalabuse_wda48220.html
“8000 children were registered for physical abuse in England during the year ending 31 March 2001”
“Infants and boys are more likely to be physically abused than older children and girls.”

“Child Sexual Abuse is 40% more likely to occur in single-mother households. -David Finkelhor Family Research Laboratory.”

-“Who is the perpetrator of that sexual abuse? I can think of many reasons why a single parent home would have more incidents of abuse, sexual or not, not relating to the sex of the parent.”

Well, that is true, so I’ll concede you that one & press on.

Edit - I found a book called Female Sexual Abuse of Children - by Michelle Elliot - Women replacing the male child as the "man of the household". I haven't read it yet but it is now on my list.

Cannot locate any reference to the Radar report online, baring an episode of MASH and reports pertaining to Doppler Radar. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction?

“Women are more likely to commit major physical abuse of their children than are men. (56.8% to 43.3% respectively).-RADAR report.”
[MEDIA]radar, actually. I should have clarified. I can’t recall which study it was which provided that stat, I’ll have re-read them & jot that down for future reference. In the mean time, here is more data on this, courtesy of the The US Department of health and Human Services:
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm08/figure3_6.htm


“Violence against family members is something women do at least as often as men!”
That is my thesis statement in this debate. Domestic violence is clearly not a gendered issue. It is a crime committed by & on both genders. In roughly equal numbers. Therefore, we should be providing aid to ALL victims of abuse regardless of their gender. That’s all I’m about and what society should be about as well.

“50% of homeless youth reported being sexually abused by a female.”

“What's the % for men?”

Why does this matter in a discussion towards the ignorance towards male abuse? Again, all I am out to prove here is that women are also abusers. I’m sure there are youth homeless who are abused by men, but society doesn’t deny their existence.
“94% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff.”

“Again, whats the % for men? What % of correctional employees are female?”

Why is this relevant in the debate again? I don’t see things like this as a zero sum game, (men vs women). I am merely pointing out to you, that a significant number of abusers are in fact, women. I think perhaps you are falling victim to what is expressed in latin as “Expressio unius est exclusio alterius”. Or, the expressed mention of one thing, implicitly excludes all others. To be sure, some abusers are indeed men. Nobody is denying that. All my facts are meant to do is demonstrate how erroneous it is to frame crimes like rape of domestic violence as something only men perpetrate & to then hand out aid to only half of the victims of it.

*Men are 76% of homicide victims-DOJ
*Murder rate of men is 4X that of women. Assault rate of men is 8X that of women.-(US Statistical Abstract, 1992)
Given these statistical realities, why is it erroneous to assume that most of the victims of women, are men? If I had used these stats to assert that most of the victims of men were other men, would you take issue with that? Point is, men are CLEARLY being victimized in appalling numbers. Let’s help these guys out, & hopefully, get these numbers down. What’s wrong with that?

[I] In a representative sample of 2,603 women & 2,105 men it was found that 37% of the men & 35% of women inflicted some form of physical aggression, while 39% of the men & 32% of the women received some form of physical aggression.)-White, J. W., & Koss, M. P. (1991). Courtship violence: Incidence in a national sample of higher education students. Violence and Victims, 6, 247-256.
This IS relevant, in proving my argument of gender symmetry in domestic violence. DV is DV, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator or their victim(s).

The story of Drew Baas can be heard on the second episode of A Voice For Men radio “Violent Women & Government Lies” linked here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2011/03/09/violent-women-and-government-lies
Mr. Baas begins telling his shocking, appalling, & at times, infuriating story at the 39:20 minute mark.
His is just one of countless other men’s story’s that too often end tragically in this unjust society. The man lost his daughter, his home, his possessions (including his late father’s possessions & his dogs) & could not convince the local police to even arrest his abuser despite his well documented incidents of her fraud, abuse & attempted murder.
I ask you, is this justice?

I was incorrect in posting that more men are murdered and I have already stated that it will be rectified however here is a shot video just to hit the point of equal shelter assistance.

Click me.

If this is happening, you know what, I'll be happy to accept 33.3% of funding if murder was the only justification for a shelter...