[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Just so I am clear, you are saying is that you want men have the right to relinquish all responsibility for a child they need to:

a) tell the woman to get an abortion, and then deal with any emotional consequences of that decision.

Yes. Understand the consequences before sex is a good idea! Asking anyone to say its okay and there are no crosses to bare before doing the nasty is ignorant. It's better than 3 dealing with the consequences their entire life!

but for a woman to do so, they would have to either:

a) Have the baby to term, give birth and then surrender that baby to the father who has indicated that they will give full support for it. I assume you would also have some allowances to force the father into providing financial restitution for expenses, time spent off work, and 'pain and suffering', similar to that which a surrogate mother received when contracted to carry a baby. Also, what happens if the father changes his mind? Would he be forced to take care of the kid? How would that be beneficial to the child? Love, not force, right?

Whaaaat? I didn't go here. It's an interesting discussion but not at all what I was pointing too.

b) Get the father to agree to an abortion, then go have the procedure done and face the potential physical and emotional consequences of that procedure.

I might be off my rocker here, but that doesn't seem fair to the woman. The guy is getting off with nothing in that case. You solution, to a problem where the male partner in the baby making is treated unfairly, is to switch to a system where the woman is treated unfairly?

Hardly! I said it is up to both of them, but ultimately it is up to the woman if she wishes to continue to term. However for this to happen it is decided that if she wishes to have the child and he doesn't then that final decision and obligation is up to her. Keep it alone or abort or adoption. There is no free ride to obligate another in a world where it is easy to get contraceptives, morning afters pills, abortions. Perhaps we should start signing contracts before sex to make sure all positions are clear!

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