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Originally Posted by kunkstyle
Stunting, which is a HUGE umbrella (donoughts, waving flags from cars, warning traffic of upcoming photo radar, whatever else the officer would like), is over $400.
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Works for me. Could be higher. Though warning traffic of upcoming radar is kind of a ridiculous thing to equate with doing doughnuts with your car. If it's actual "stunting", i.e. doing stunts with a motor vehicle, why shouldn't that be a significant fine?
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About 40km over. I get that the human safety consequences are way higher for someone speeding vs skipping transit fare.
But you want a group who may or may not ever use public transit to subsidize those who do, because they may have a higher income, and because everybody should be using transit?
Why stop there? Parking longer than 2 hours in a 2 hour zone isn't going to kill anybody. Make parking tickets just a warning and increase fines for reckless driving. Make all those reckless drivers pay for new parkades. Drunk driving is worse than speeding. Lower speeding tickets and Make the fines for a DUI in the $100,000.
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Well, first, I would have no issue with a $100,000 fine for drunk driving simply because ridiculous deterrents that keep people from doing that altogether are a-ok by me. You may even be able to feasibly collect that amount over a number of years.
Second, yes, I do want people who don't use a service to subsidize those who do if the former behaviour is one we wish to strongly discourage and the subsidized behaviour is one we want to encourage. We do this tax-burden-shifting in plenty of other areas. You already subsidize behaviour you don't participate in but that the government thinks should be encouraged via tax breaks. If you have a higher income, you subsidize those things to a greater degree. Is this at all surprising to you?
As for it being a voluntary tax, so is basically every fine - i.e., voluntarily abstain from whatever it is they're fining you for, and don't pay the tax. I'm just saying that the fact that your average speeding ticked is probably half of what you pay for riding a train without a pass seems odd to me in that the two should intuitively be reversed.