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Originally Posted by Daradon
1. I don't believe he was name calling.
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It wasn't necessarily the intention to single him out by quoting him. So, sorry to him if there was that impression. Probably quite a few others were a lot more strident than him. However, when you resort to referring to those who disagree as "bigots," it's just to try and shut down any dissent.
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Originally Posted by Daradon
2. It most certainly is about rights. Human rights. The same rights everyone else gets. They are only asking for rights other people already enjoy. Like Women's rights and Civil rights movements before, it is about a group of people segregated with less rights. The fact that you say, 'their rights' just proves you don't look at them as fully human or fully equal. It's been simplified and called 'gay rights' for ease of knowing what topic people speak of. But it's not about special or different rights for gays, it's about equality.
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Again, until shown what constitutionality there is, it's a demand not a right. Since Canada has federally funded health care, the debate is framed a little differently. However, in the U.S. one of the purposes was to allow for health care coverage of "domestic partners" (which many employers offer). (Heterosexual) common law marriages were not considered "equal" yet nobody hit the streets for their "rights" or clamored in the press.
It'll come down to judicial activism, anyway, like it always does.
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Originally Posted by Daradon
3. Lastly, your story has nothing to do with the debate. It could be an harassment thing, for sure, but the same things happen whether one is gay or straight, male or female.
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The point of sharing the story was to show that they're not all wonderful, honest, upstanding citizens. Universally, any stories about gays always portray them sympathetically. If you're going to demand "equality," then let's lay everything out on the line.
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Originally Posted by Iginla
A gay guy harassed your friend? I'd bet everything I own that 99.9% of harassment happens between straight people.
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Stats aren't kept or reported. So, it's safe for you to make up just any figure, exaggerated for effect or otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Iginla
Gay people shouldn't have rights because your straight buddy had his lap touched by a gay dude? this thread just got a whole lot dumber.
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You and some of the others replying type before reading. It said near the end, that it didn't matter to me if he eventually got married or not.
Since you brought it up - want to know my actual position? Indifference. The country has far more pressing issues. This one seems to be real hot button with you and your newbie buds here. So what if the founder of Chic-Fil-A mailed out a check? So what if Tim Thomas tweeted that it was his right to so? Seems to me that's the democratic process. If this is indeed about "rights," then it should be debated vigorously in the public forum. The expectation that there should be no opposition sounds more totalitarian.