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Originally Posted by Super-Rye
Iginla and Zetterberg were both inconsistent last year and by both of their standards had very sub-par years. Zetterberg is definitely the better all around player at this point in his career but as far as finishing goes Iginla is the guy.
Iginla, Tanguay, Cammalleri, Glencorss, Hudler, Beartschi, Cervenka, Stempniak and probably Backlund.
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Bertuzzi, Filppula, Cleary, Franzen, Helm, Miller, Adelkader/Holmstrom(is he coming back? I have no idea)
While Calgary doesn't have a Datsyuk, at this point in time I would say Calgary has more top 9 depth than Detroit. Hudler is just as sheilded in Calgary as he was in Detroit. The biggest question is will the team as a whole buy into Hartleys plan.
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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
I agree that we atleast have comparable top 9 depth to Detroit if not a chance to have a slight edge this year.
By position of the top 9:
Line 1 LW - Tanguay vs. Filppula - Tanguay has the slight edge IMO
Line 1 C - Cammalleri vs. Datsyuk - Cammy is a good player but is worse at centre and he's going up against Datsyuk so moving on
Line 1 RW - Iginla vs. Franzen - Again moving on
Line 2 LW - Glencross vs. Cleary - Very similar players i'd give Glencross the edge because he's 5 years younger
Line 2 C - Cervenka vs. Zetterberg - lol
Line 2 RW - Hudler vs. Samuelsson - I think I'm giving the edge to Hudler, but it's close
Line 3 LW - Baertschi vs. Brunner (over Miller) - Two Swiss players that are starting their first full years, could go either way.
Line 3 C - Backlund vs. Helm - Helm gets the edge here by a fair margin
Line 3 RW - Bertuzzi vs. Stempniak - Bert is getting older but he is the better player by a mile overall, edge goes to him but Stempniak could be better.
So in summary Flames have the edge in 4, Wings have the edge in 4 and Baertschi and Brunner are the toss ups.
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i think in a way we are getting way away from the actual point. its not about top 9 depth or even if iginla is better than zetterberg. the point that i am trying to make is that hudler was able to be the 3rd most lethal player on the second line. that meant no top pairing D to play against and even when he was out there, he would often be the last forward they would worry about. so my question would be, do you guys honestly think that hudler will be on a line with linemates equivalent of zetterberg and filppula this year?
i dont follow the flames close enough to know your potential lines going into the season, but judging on heavy jacks post, that means you are implying that glencross/cervenka will be his linemates. no way are they anywhere close to zet/fil...
once again, i am not trying to diss on calgary or even hudler. i am just implying he will probably have a tougher time producing with less skilled linemates. the initial remark i made was in response to a poster saying hudler would get 60-80 points because of increased TOI and better linemates. i do not think he will have better linemates this year than he did last year unless he goes on line 1 which from my understanding isnt the plan.
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Originally Posted by Barnission
I mentioned both Zetterberg and Datsyuk.
I admit I was being rude initially, but I severely dislike when people dismiss another player's performance simply because he plays with great players. It is, although somewhat unintentionally, a great backhanded slap to the player, and just kind of annoying. So I apologize, but I didn't do it to act "tough", I did it because I was genuinely annoyed.
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fair enough. i personally felt like i was pretty rational in my initial post about hudler and certainly didnt imply he was a tag along. thats why i made that point in my first point to say that his role was more cleanup this past year and he did well at it.