[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by pylon

Thanks HOOT. My view, and my point is exactly that. I do understand that some people are mentally ill and cannot control their actions. That is not my problem, and it shouldn't be the problem of society in general. Your brain is broken, and that is just too bad for you. I am really sorry you were born with this horrible affliction, but you are not fit, nor safe, to be roaming the streets, if going off your meds, means stabby corpse meal time. Period. You are too much of a risk, and liability to society.

What if someone is on a community treatment order in which they are monitored in order to ensure that they are taking their medications on a scheduled time and that people who are trained are able to see if there are any side effects and the like. People with schizophrenia are able to lead healthy productive lives with the assistance of medication. While I agree that it would need to be implemented with strict guidelines, a timetable and preferably a monitoring system but I do think it is better than locking someone up for an indeterminate amount of time because of something that they did when they weren't really themselves.

Originally Posted by Pylon

Your brain and body has done something so horribly unforgivable, you do not deserve life or freedom. If I wigged out like that for any reason, and did something so heinous, as a result of mental illness. The first unsupervised, lucid, moment I had, I would save the tax payers, and the penal system a hug chunk of money. I could never live with myself if I unknowingly did something like that, and I would never want to be free, let alone live.

I know this opinion is not popular, but it makes me sick to my stomach, when you see the commiter of a crime like this, get so much coddling, and support from the justice and health care system, while there is a mother out there, being basically told by the government to "mind your own business, we know better." when that monster ate her son. He will eventually live as a free man, while the family, will forever suffer knowing what he did. He may not be at fault for what he did (I disagree as it was his responsibility to take his meds.) But neither is it the fault of the family who will forever suffer, or the son, who was partially turned into human feces, and doesn't even have the chance to suffer.

Okay I understand that and the initial reaction is for someone to get their pound of flesh because it obviously was a horrific crime and I really do empathize with the family of the victim as well but I also do see Li as a victim in this situation, in a different sense but a victim of himself and his body in a way. The situation does show that there is a lack of mental healths services more than anything that could help prevent these incidents in the future.

My question is this. What happens if Luka Magnotta, is diagnosed with Schizophrenia? Is he all of a sudden given a pass by everyone? Why is it any different if he suffers one mental illness, but not another? Anyone who did what he did is mentally sick to a degree. What if he suffered horrible abuse as a child, and became this monster as a result? Is that his fault? Or should it be his abuser who is responsible?

If he is able to determine right from wrong then that is where the free pass ends. He obviously had the foresight to lure someone to an area, murder them on camera, upload the video onto the internet, mail body parts to different addresses in Canada, flee the country, look up stories of himself on the internet... the situations are not similar in the least in my opinion. It is likely that this guy has had a long history in which he was likely sexually assaulted based on his past employment as a prostitute, but from what I can determine from this case he was still able to differentiate right from wrong.

That is ignoring the fact that there is no real effective treatment for what this guy has regardless.

I am sorry, if you sympathize with the Schizophrenic cannibal, you have to sympathize with the psychopathic cannibal. Both are mentally ill, and both never grew up with the intention of being that way.

How are they the same at all? One has a biochemical imbalance in the brain the other at least from the outside just appears to be a bad nutcase.