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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Cowboy : I'm no teacher or parent. I'm just saying I get where they're coming from. I'm about a decade off from said targeted audience, but I know a lot of cases (myself included) where getting a low great acted more as a de-motivator then a motivator. Similar to money being a great de-motivator, but a terrible motivator, marks are the same thing. On the statistical level, the ones you see who will rally from it are on the lower % of the bell curve. What is the goal of your education system, to make sure yourself feel honest or to try and produce a more educated and productive society? Maybe you are the former, but I am the ladder.
CaptainCrunch : I got to say, I love your romantic stories about how you were once a bad ass rebel, but your dad sat your on your lap and goes "Son . . . I believe in you" and you turned into such a great thing. Honestly its awesome. There are a few superhero's like you I guess... but the non-0 topic discussed would not be for superhero's like you; it would be targeted to the lower performers that you don't want to be an anchor.
And, I didn't say that you should reward the lower/lazy performers.... I don't know where you read that in my post, maybe you were distracted by the reminiscing of you sitting on your dad's lap or something. I'm just saying I get the argument of why you don't give a kid a crippling zero.... honestly I don't really have a say in which way the system should go, I don't have the data and all the knowledge to make a informed opinion. I'm just saying whatever system put in should be geared towards maximizing the potential while hopefully still encouraging the top tier to succeed, however that is done.
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Um obviously my old man didn't believe in me, if he had believed in me, he would have let them pass me because I was so awesome that I would breeze through the next level with no need to learn a work ethic.
And honestly ego aside, I had a tough old man, he didn't coddle me, and when I screwed up he didn't sit there and murmur its ok you just need a break here's a hug. He certainly wasn't my best friend and there were a lot of years where we had a real tense to non existant relation, My mother was certainly not my or my sisters best friends. they worked endless hours to keep us housed and schooled and clothed.
He hammered the crap out of me, and I'm pretty fracking proud of how I turned out. I keep hearing remarks like I hope you don't think that the way you were raised was normal. But I have to plainly state that among the people that I grew up around, and my cousins and others that was the way you were raised.
We didn't have teachers that gave us a break, if we needed help we had to ask for help, they didn't sit there and approach you. They didn't forgive late or missing homework.
Making an estimate on a kids knowledge base for their grade when they don't hand in an assignment is a joke, giving a kid multiple chances to make up an assignment or a test is a joke if they don't make an effort to give a sincere effort to make it up.
These kids are high school students, period, they're on the cusp of adult hood and coddling them at that point is pretty much going to ruin them for any post secondary education, or any job.
There are no incompletes in life, well there are but nobody gives a ####e about your excuses.
I honestly do look at this generation as the butter soft generation, I think a lot of parents have decided that they need to make every decision for their kid, wrap them in bubble wrap and then rage at anyone else that tries to make their kids take responsibility for their action.
You shouldn't have given my little johnny a zero, he deserves something just for showing up.
I don't care what the jury says about my son who beat that other kid half to death he's not a bully, he's my little snookum puddum
He's not fat and if he wants to play skull crusher 3 for 4 hours at least he's good at something and he's out of my hair.
35 percent of students drop out of their first year of university, I'm betting the majority of them because they weren't properly prepared by the education system.