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Originally Posted by pylon
Both men killed another human being.
Both men decapitated that human being.
Both men ate pieces of their victims.
No sane human being does these things, and an argument can be made that only an insane person would. And if he was not insane, there is about a thousand other mental disorders you could tag to him. It is completely out of the scope of normal human behaviour for someone to do it, and it could be argued that anyone who does such a thing is mentally ill.
So basically, if you sympathize with Li's disorder, unfortunately, you pretty much have to sympathize with this cat's as well. I can pretty much assure you, that Luka Magnotta has Narcissistic personality disorder just based on his websites and online postings. Is that his fault? It wasn't Li's fault he had Schizophrenia, right?
So I guess what you are saying is, killers with one mental illness, should be given more latitude than others? Schizophrenia is a free pass to murder, but insanity is not? Correct me if I am wrong please.
I can understand where people may sympathize with Li. Unfortunately, I hold the belief that even if the guy didn't mean to do what he did, he still did it. And he should pay the ultimate price for it, at minimum being locked away for life. If it was a family member of mine in Li's place, I would feel the same. He ruined a families life, and the pussified Canadian justice system continues to as well, as they are giving Li more help and support, than the f'n family of the young kid who had his head sawed off by him. The justice minister and the parole board, should just go take a big steaming crap, right on the mothers face, because that is what they are doing her. And he also scarred every single person that sat on that busses life for the rest of their lives. And we have sympathy for that monster?
It is not my fault the guys brain is broken, and society should not have to worry about a total nutcase, that could snap at any minute and saw your head off walking the streets. It is a shame one of the officers didn't walk in the bus, and blow the guys head off, and just claim he lunged at them with the knife.
Lastly, my call to remove the puns, was in consideration of the victims family. As someone who has just recently had to deal with the online identity of a deceased family member, I cannot begin to think what that family must be thinking under such horrific circumstances. Even though the the web is awash with jokes about this case, I figured we, could at least do our small part, and be a little classier than that.
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Many "bleeding hearts" feel similar about the things they believe in, too. So what's the difference? How about instead of throwing out veiled insults referring back to an old thread you just stick to your argument next time?
You state you understand the difference between schizophrenia and ASPD, but I don't think you do. Otherwise you would know one is a mental disorder (largely because of an abnormality of the brain), while another is a personality disorder (largely due to environmental effects), and in the medical world, the two are quite different. You seem to be under the impression than any err from normality in an individual equals mental illness, but this isn't the case. You also seem to believe you can simply "argue" for a biochemical imbalance such as schizophrenia being the same and equal to a personality disorder like ASPD, but you can't, at least not easily. Why? Because it's science. If -- and we have absolutely no idea at this point -- this guy is a sociopath, which it does seem as if he is, through strict guidelines and methods, psychiatrists will be able to find out.
As for your moral absolutism, it's naive. You point out three similarities, but conveniently leave out any context or circumstance: one has a mental illness that is treatable, the other one, as of right now, is an unknown. Do you normally ignore all context when you're judging people?
Edit: Wow, you advocate for an officer to commit murder. Didn't notice that at first. You would think with your simplified view of morality you would then need to advocate for the officer to be locked up for murder -- it meets your first listed criteria, after all, and is the most heinous -- or do the circumstances change things for you?